IBR’s Executive Steering Group has challenging meeting

Is there ‘substantial demand’ for transit on the replacement Interstate Bridge?

The Executive Steering Group (ESG) that provides oversight to the Interstate Bridge Replacement (IBR) program met for its monthly meeting. On the agenda was a review of the LPA (locally preferred alternative) process, a transit options overview, an update from the Community Advisory Group, and a review of their Climate Program.

Several councilors were chatting as the meeting started. They noted there was a challenging meeting earlier in the morning at Portland Metro’s JPACT transportation meeting, where there were two action items related to I-205 tolling on the agenda. 

The ESG meeting got off to a good start, and lots of “congratulations” were offered to the Washington delegation, as C-TRAN CEO Shawn Donaghy announced that the Washington legislature had delivered $1.2 billion in funding for the IBR project. That was later corrected to $1 billion by Mayor Anne McEnerny-Ogle. 

“We’re pretty excited to see how this financial commitment unlocked some of the funding opportunities with our federal and Oregon partners,” McEnerny-Ogle said.  She noted that Vancouver had “additional millions” (about $100 million) from the 2015 gas tax package for reconstruction of the Mill Plain interchange. which adds to the funds the legislature recently allocated.

The Interstate Bridge Replacement program is evaluating a dozen options for high capacity transit for the project. The recently added two additional light rail options, bringing the total to six light rail options, three bus rapid transit options, one hybrid light rail/bus rapid transit option, and a “no build” option. Graphic courtesy IBR
The Interstate Bridge Replacement program is evaluating a dozen options for high capacity transit for the project. They recently added two additional light rail options, bringing the total to six light rail options, three bus rapid transit options, one hybrid light rail/bus rapid transit option, a bus on shoulder option, and a “no build” option. Graphic courtesy IBR

TriMet’s Steve Witter described the Washington funding as “capture this lightning in a bottle and advance the project as quickly as we can.” 

WSDOT Secretary Roger Millar said his agency feels like the dog that caught the car. “We have the federal package and now we have the state package,” he said. “It’s time to deliver. And it’s it’s time to make sure that the stuff that we deliver is worthy of deliverance,”

But Portland Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty quickly threw water on the celebration. “What I’m hearing today makes me a little nervous,” she said. “I just want to put it out there that there seems to be a rush to the finish line without actually having details that will be important for me to have as I educate my colleagues about this project and where we’re going, and how we’re going to fund it and all the other stuff we’ve been talking about.”

“I don’t want to be a downer,” she said. “But I also want to be a realist. We don’t rush things of this magnitude.” Hardesty spoke about not having “specific information” she needs to not only educate herself, but also the Portland City Council. 

Ray Maybe spoke to the group about tolling, calling the tolls a “user fee.” He mentioned a recent agreement reached between the two state DOTs on tolling. The memorandum of understanding (MOU) will allow ODOT to be administrator of the collection program for the bridge. He noted that WSDOT is the only agency with experience, having several tolling programs up and running.

He noted that ODOT will be setting up its separate tolling programs for the various Portland area tolling projects, and therefore it was chosen as administrator. “What it isn’t, is how to set those toll rates, how to do cost sharing, all the other things that need to happen.”

Maybe indicated that Oregon will be responsible for all the costs of tolling administration related to their tolling programs in that state. The costs attributed to the replacement Interstate Bridge will be split between the two states.

Metro President Lynn Peterson said she was surprised to see the information in the meeting package, and would have preferred to be receiving updates all along. 

Hardesty jumped back into the fray, echoing Peterson’s comments. She was concerned a major decision was made, and the ESG wasn’t given the opportunity to discuss the details and make input. “Basically, what I’m hearing is that the electeds in the region have no authority to have any impact on the decisions that are going to be coming out of this process,” she said.

Maybe responded, saying there were other factors that went into the decision. “The point is that the tolling is a key part of the funding picture of the program. It will definitely help with our congestion management, congestion relief. And the behavior changes we’ve talked about, providing options for people with high capacity transit, but the administrator itself is just that first decision.”

Hardesty’s response – “it feels like we’re being squeezed into a box.”

Portland Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty expresses concerns about not having enough data and decisions being made without ESG input. She’s not in a rush to make decisions and wants all the data. Video courtesy Interstate Bridge Replacement Program

“I cannot ignore that the status quo has never worked, especially for communities of color, the way we’ve always done major transportation projects has never worked,” she said.

Regional Transportation Council (RTC) Chair Matt Ransom weighed in on the sensitivity of tolling. “There’s great public interest in this topic,” he said. “I mean, that might be the understatement of the day.” He mentioned the memorandum was just the start of the decision-making process. In Washington, the legislature must approve tolling, according to Ransom.

Millar followed, saying the MOU was just a “small decision.”

“I think what you’re hearing is, with all due respect about the DOT’s, a certain lack of clarity on the future of tolling within the region,” said Peterson. “I mean, including Vancouver, we don’t have financial plans that have been relayed to us on any of the projects, nor how any of the congestion pricing tolling is going to actually work. And so you’re, we’re at a disadvantage in this conversation of understanding why this decision was made and why it was made outside.”

Peterson pushed for more clarity on the entire tolling process. 

“I can’t overemphasize that enough, and working with the partners to get that clarity, not just deciding that clarity,” she said. “So I’m going to put an exclamation point and a big red flag, the giant red flag that these decisions are being made without any context or discussion or heads up.”

Peterson closed by noting the Metro JPACT meeting earlier in the morning had been a very difficult discussion.

Separately, a member of the JPACT committee shared that the final vote to move to the next phase of Oregon’s tolling plans was not unanimous. One of the concerns that caused a “no” vote for some JPACT members was over starting tolling only on the I-205 project first, rather than implementing tolling in all areas. The residents of Clackamas County feel they are being singled out and not treated fairly.

Vancouver’s sensitivities

“I think it is going to be absolutely essential that every word you use in the presentation of this is very, very carefully stated,” said McEnerny-Ogle. “I don’t want the public to be confused, that tolling on the bridge is going to be paying for Oregon’s tolling I-5 and I-205 and the Abernathy Bridge and everything else.” She appeared to be mindful of recent concerns the Vancouver City Council has expressed regarding the issue of tolling. 

”It’s going to be essential that the public is not confused, that the I-5 bridge toll is anything but what we say it is. That is to help pay for this bridge and to reduce the congestion and to change behavior.”

ESG members Jo Ann Hardesty, Steve Witter and Lynn Peterson express concerns about the timeline and not having all the data. Administrator Greg Johnson responds. Video courtesy Interstate Bridge Replacement Program

Behavior modification was how ODOT spokesman Don Hamilton described the Oregon tolling program after the legislature passed HB 2017, directing them to study tolling all the highways in Oregon, “beginning at the border” with Washington. With over 75,000 Clark County residents commuting to Oregon for work, they don’t have the opportunity to alter their behavior in going to work. 

By encouraging drivers to adjust their commute times, Hamilton said that congestion will be reduced with drivers spreading out trips over different times of the day. “The toll is basically an incentive that helps people to change their trips to different times of the day, to take different forms of transportation,” he told Clark County residents in 2018.

The discussion over tolling took up close to a half an hour. That ultimately caused the IBR staff to recommend removing a couple planned briefing items on the agenda to the next meeting.

Transit options

Administrator Greg Johnson shared with the ESG his team’s plans to offer their recommendation on a high capacity transit (HCT) choice in April. The IBR team recently added two new options to be considered. There are now 11 options plus a “no build” option. They also added a possible waterfront stop.

“All of the build options that we compare to the no build (option) substantially improved transit service,” said John Willis, IBR deputy program manager. ”There is again, the use of the word substantial. There is substantial demand for cross river transit service. And that’s probably not a surprise to those of you that have an understanding of our region, how it functions and the modeling.”

The team created 16 performance measures. Their findings on transit said park and ride demand is robust in all representative investment scenarios, with the greatest demand attributed to those that provide the most convenient access from I-5. 

Hardesty said park and rides were a waste of space. She wants housing people can afford to live in, instead of park and ride spaces. Millar weighed in, saying “as someone who, whose agency is responsible for a lot of park and rides around the state, I think their time has come and gone.”

Team findings also highlighted:

  • Investments that include more stations serve more residents within walking distance, including BIPOC and low income populations.
  • All transit investments improve access to jobs, including BIPOC and low-income populations. LRT investments improve access to jobs to a greater degree than BRT investments alone.
  • When comparing the same representative alignment, LRT options have higher capital cost and lower operating cost per rider than BRT investments.

The two new LRT additions have MAX light rail coming into Vancouver “on an adjacent dedicated guideway” on I-5. One ends near Evergreen and the other near McLoughlin. Only one light rail option would take MAX into downtown Vancouver at the Turtle Place transit center. All others run on I-5.

TriMet data shows the cost to operate frequent bus service is less than operating MAX light rail. That is contrary to what the IBR team briefed the Executive Steering Group on Thursday. Graphic courtesy TriMet
TriMet data shows the cost to operate frequent bus service is less than operating MAX light rail. That is contrary to what the IBR team briefed the Executive Steering Group on Thursday. Graphic courtesy TriMet

The 11 HCT options include six with light rail transit (LRT) only; 3 with bus rapid transit (BRT) only; one “hybrid” that has a combination of LRT and BRT. There is also one option for a Bus on Shoulder (BOS). 

The IBR team members are evaluating transit ridership for 2045. They are using multiple measures in their evaluation. The team reports LRT capital costs are much higher, but operating and maintenance costs are much lower, compared to BRT.

Substantial demand?

The team’s draft findings say “there is substantial demand for cross river transit service.” 

That finding might surprise many citizens. C-TRAN offers the only cross-river transit service today, because there is minimal demand. Passengers boarding on their “express” bus service has plummeted over 60 percent compared to pre-pandemic levels. For the east Vancouver service from Fishers Landing, there was nearly an 85 percent decline. 

Last summer, C-TRAN announced significant permanent cuts in their 2022 service. Furthermore, TriMet said they don’t expect their ridership to return to pre-pandemic levels for six years. 

C-TRAN ridership peaked over 20 years ago in 1999, when it had 7.75 million annual boardings. It has been hovering around 6 million boardings for over a decade.

TriMet ridership peaked about a decade ago, at the end of the Great Recession. Recently it lost 60-70 percent of their ridership. Their MAX ridership peaked in 2012 with 35 million annual boardings. The Orange line to Milwaukie opened in Sept. 2015, but the new line failed to generate increased system ridership. Light rail system ridership was just below 31 million boardings in 2019 and dropped to 12.9 million in 2021.

Furthermore, TriMet’s FY 2021 report indicates that its “operating cost per boarding rider” was cheaper for “frequent bus service” than it was for MAX light rail. The “frequent bus lines” were those operating at 15-minute intervals and had a cost of $7.98 per boarding passenger. Light rail cost was $8.24 per boarding passenger, or over 3 percent more.

But those are system wide. The Yellow line has an average 6,280 weekday boardings. The Blue line carries over three times more at 21,280, the Red line at 10,250, and 8,910 on the Green line. The Orange line trails with 4,140 average weekday boardings.

That would seem to indicate the Yellow line ridership would be the second most expensive light rail service and much higher than the $8.24 per passenger of systemwide MAX ridership.

The IBR staff is expected to release the “data” and the details related to a choice of high capacity transit next month.

TriMet’s transit ridership plunged significantly due to the pandemic. Officials don’t expect ridership to return to pre pandemic levels for six years. Graphic courtesy TriMet
TriMet’s transit ridership plunged significantly due to the pandemic. Officials don’t expect ridership to return to pre pandemic levels for six years. Graphic courtesy TriMet

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  1. Thomas W Gentry

    Once again you keep us informed, John.

    Good to see that the “Distract ’em while we slip this by them” is still working. Let’s show 13 options for transit and forget that there is a one minute saving in travel time. And we’ll call it the Locally Preferred Alternative which makes it sound like someone actually had a choice and we’ll say that congestion pricing will allow people in Vancouver to be able to choose when they cross the Columbia in either direction. Can’t blame us if there is not an improvement in travel time or reduction in congestion. The blame lies with those people not choosing to travel at different periods of time or deciding to cross using I-5 or I-205 rather than the bridge at Longview or the one at White Salmon. Wait! That one is a toll bridge also. Besides, if people really wanted to avoid the tolls, they would use the bus lines!

    Whoa! We better hurry and spend this money, too. To heck with trying to make this bridge and the Rose Quarter project part of an overall plan to improve the I-5 corridor. Think we could distract people by stating as fact that 68% of the growth in the area is due to POC without providing the data source? Then if anyone raises an objection we know what kind of racist they are. By the way, are these national companies who are preparing bids better than local companies? We’ll think about that another time when John analyzes that for us.

    Now that we know they have decide to build the new bridge west of the current one can understand why Hayden Island might not be connected to Vancouver any more. Guess our favorite BBQ place in downtown Vancouver will have to be moved along with many other places in the area. Shouldn’t matter to people on Hayden Island since we will have to fill up our tank just to travel back into Portland before we can travel to Vancouver. Thankfully that will go a long way towards relieving congestion.

    Yes – tongue in cheek.

    1. Jan Roxburgh

      Thank you John Ley for strongly following the clues and the money, and continuing to keep the public well-informed on what is going on regarding transportation plans! It is so important that bright light is shone into the dark corners!

      Well said, Tom Gentry!! Thank you for being a strong voice for the Hayden Island community. It is being swept aside by IBR and others as if it doesn’t really exist, even while these planners continually claim equity! Please continue calling the injustice out, and thank you so much!

      1. Emily

        I say,wait til this years voting on new governor takes place!! If the cheating vote stays in place,or oregonians get the truth they need. To get out of this hell that’s been thrown on them!!

  2. donnie h

    Once again light rail is being crammed down our throats. Best option – NO LR, as in none, bus lanes maybe. Reinforce current bridge for seismic stability, then build 3 maybe 4 Columbia River bridges to relieve local short distance traffic away from I-5. Those costs would significantly less than the $2.5 Billion. And improves traffic. Once the big one hits, as the people in the know predict, there will be a couple of them left standing to be useful

  3. Sheryll

    So,with toll charges added to high gas prices how much is that??
    I say,wait til this years voting on new governor takes place!! If the cheating vote stays in place,or oregonians get the truth they need. To get out of this hell that’s been thrown on them!!
    What’s another 10 months,to decide?hell,you found money’s now,maybe we will find more in 10 months!!


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