CDC and Johns Hopkins studies show strength and duration of natural immunity protection
Two newly released studies show the power of natural immunity following recovery from COVID-19 sickness. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says “previous SARS-CoV-2 infection also confers protection against severe outcomes in the event of reinfection.” Johns Hopkins found that natural immunity developed from prior variants reduced the risk of infection with the Omicron variant.
Natural immunity was six times stronger during the Delta wave than vaccination, according to one news report about the CDC study. The report published Jan. 19 analyzed COVID outcome data from New York and California, which make up about one in six of the nation’s total COVID deaths. “Whereas French and Israeli population-based studies noted waning protection from previous infection, this was not apparent in the results from this or other large U.K. and U.S. studies,” the CDC said.
Dr. Benjamin Silk of the CDC told the media last week, “Before the Delta variant, COVID-19 vaccination resulted in better protection against a subsequent infection than surviving a previous infection.”
“When looking at the summer and the fall of 2021, when Delta became the dominant in this country, however, surviving a previous infection now provided greater protection against subsequent infection than vaccination,” he added.
Omicron has become the focus of the pandemic as Washington state and the nation enter the third year of battling multiple variants of the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus. Until this past week, Omicron accounted for nearly all the new cases detected in the state. Early reports seemed to indicate it ignores both vaccine immunity and natural immunity.
Clark County Public Health reports 72,239 total cases since the pandemic began. This means all those who have recovered now have natural immunity and protection. The two new natural immunity studies should boost public discussion regarding vaccine mandates by Gov. Jay Inslee.
This impacts citizen discussions about children in schools with or without vaccines. It also impacts the mini initiative petition the Clark County Council will consider. Should there be mandates when natural immunity provides protection as good if not better than vaccines alone?
The new CDC report was concluded before Omicron arrived on the scene. “After two years of accruing data, the superiority of natural immunity over vaccinated immunity is clear,” writes Dr. Marty Makary. He is a surgeon and public policy researcher at Johns Hopkins University.
Last week, the CDC released data which demonstrated natural immunity was 2.8 times as effective in preventing hospitalization and 3.3 to 4.7 times as effective in preventing COVID infection compared with vaccination, according to Makary.
One of the arguments that public health officials have used to discount natural immunity, is they claim they don’t know how long it lasts. Makary noted the U.S. is one of the few countries that ignores natural immunity. The NIH has $42 billion in resources, but has refused to study it.
“You could do the study with about 100 people,” Makary told Brian Kilmeade. “You just invite people who were infected in New York two years ago and test their blood.”
Dr. Makary and his colleagues at Johns Hopkins therefore did their own study. “We found that among 295 unvaccinated people who previously had COVID, antibodies were present in 99.9 percent of them up to nearly two years after infection. We also found that natural immunity developed from prior variants reduced the risk of infection with the Omicron variant,” he reports.
“We found that immunity was strong, nearly two years out from the infection,”he said. “So it is now settled science. Natural immunity is durable and effective for as long as the infection has been around.”
Omicron is likely to go through the entire U.S. population. Makary noted that Dr. Fauci said everybody will get it. “If Omicron is nature’s vaccine for those who have not had access to or been eligible for vaccine, what are we doing immunizing those already immune?” A booster shot offers only a modest and temporary benefit.
Ali Mokdad, an epidemiologist at the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, said he believes about half of the U.S. population will be infected with Omicron during the next three months, with most cases being asymptomatic.
The CDC found COVID-19 rates among the vaccinated with no previous infection were 6.2 times lower in California and 4.5 times lower in New York than among the unvaccinated with no previous infection.
However, among the unvaccinated with a previous infection, the COVID-19 rate was 29 times lower in California and 14.7 times lower in New York.
The individuals most protected against infection were those who had previously had COVID-19 and were also vaccinated. Their infection rate was 32.5 times lower in California and 19.8 times lower in New York.
The CDC study and the Johns Hopkins study confirm what more than 100 other studies on natural immunity have found, Makary emphasized: “The immune system works,” he said. The largest of these studies, from Israel, found that natural immunity was 27 times as effective as vaccinated immunity in preventing symptomatic illness.
Last September, Heidi Wetzler highlighted doctors from the St. Elizabeth Healthcare System in Ohio submitted a compelling letter to their administration logically and completely outlining their concerns with vaccine mandates. Their very first point states that “Natural immunity is at least equal to and likely superior to vaccine immunity, yet this has not been a part of the discussion for unclear reasons. A majority of healthcare providers in our system are declining the vaccine due to prior infection and already having sufficient immunity to COVID-19.”
Wetzler shared those who had SARS-CoV-1 in 2002-2003 were still found to be immune 17 years later, and those who survived the influenza pandemic of 1918 were still immune to the H1N1 outbreak in 2009-2010 a stunning 92 years later.
Researchers followed more than 52,000 Cleveland Clinic employees for five months in 2021. More than 1,300 of those employees already had a documented COVID infection and did not get vaccinated.
The study released last June, found none of them were re-infected during the five months they were monitored. They concluded those with laboratory-confirmed symptomatic COVID infection are unlikely to benefit from vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.
A Danish study published in December confirms that natural immunity protects better against infection than the vaccines. It shows vaccine-induced immunity wanes rapidly, beginning a few weeks after vaccination. At the five-month mark, protection is well below 50 percent. Natural immunity, by contrast, is robust: a full year after infection, protection is still above 70 percent.
The study shows hybrid immunity – conferred by the combination of vaccination and previous infection – is slightly better than natural immunity. However, the difference is small compared to that between natural and vaccine-induced immunity.
“While those who’ve already had Covid should be perfectly free to get vaccinated, there’s no obvious need for them to do so,” said Noah Carl of The Daily Sceptic. “The tricky part may be getting this message through to politicians.”
A May 2021 statement from the World Health Organization made the following points.
- Within 4 weeks following infection, 90-99 percent of individuals infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus develop detectable neutralizing antibodies.
- The strength and duration of the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 are not completely understood and currently available data suggests that it varies by age and the severity of symptoms. Available scientific data suggests that in most people immune responses remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months after infection (the longest follow up with strong scientific evidence is currently approximately 8 months). (Emphasis added)
- Some variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses with key changes in the spike protein have a reduced susceptibility to neutralization by antibodies in the blood. While neutralizing antibodies mainly target the spike protein, cellular immunity elicited by natural infection also target other viral proteins, which tend to be more conserved across variants than the spike protein. (Emphasis added)
- The ability of emerging virus variants (variants of interest and variants of concern) to evade immune responses is under investigation by researchers around the world.
“Public-health officials have a lot of explaining to do. They used the wrong starting hypothesis, ignored contrary preliminary data, and dug in as more evidence emerged that called their position into question,” Makary writes in his column.
“Many clinicians who talk to other physicians nationwide have long observed that we don’t see reinfected patients end up on a ventilator or die from Covid, with rare exceptions who almost always have immune disorders.”
He was asked if there was a variation in the strength of the immunity in the Johns Hopkins study. According to Makary, “99 percent of these subjects we studied had antibody levels that were almost as effective and consistent as they had in the earliest time of their recovery,” he said.
Essentially 100 percent of new infections now are Omicron, he noted. The data shows it is less dangerous than influenza, according to Makary.
A 3.8 percent increase in protection
Kilmeade asked if you were vaccinated, and then you had COVID or you got the virus and then got vaccinated, does that double your immunity?
“It increases it by 3.8 percent,” Makary responded. “So hybrid immunity is more effective. But remember, the vaccine gives you almost a sugar high of antibodies that will wear off in terms of its protection against getting the infection. Your protection against hospitalization and severe disease is still solid with vaccinated or natural immunity.”
“We’re really not seeing new vaccinations at this point,” he said. Makary believes people are so hardened by what they see as excessive government policies, they’re probably not going to get vaccinated. Chances are, they have natural immunity.
He also mentioned that “no healthy child has ever died of COVID that we know of.”
In South Africa, where officials first sounded the alarm about Omicron, the government in December eased protocols. They are betting that previous encounters with the virus have given the population enough immunity to prevent significant levels of severe illness. The Omicron wave there subsided quickly with modest hospitalizations. Scientists think one reason is that so many people — close to 80 percent — had previously been infected by earlier variants.
CATO
Last fall the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) issued an emergency temporary standard (ETS) requiring businesses with 100 or more employees to enforce a vaccination‐or‐testing regime. That has since been overruled by the Supreme Court..
The CATO Institute weighed in, including the following.
Universal vaccine mandates are irrational in ignoring naturally acquired immunity from infection and recovery, which has come to be referred to as “natural immunity” in public discussion. This single‐minded focus on vaccination as the exclusive means to acquiring immunity is largely novel.
Contrary to conventional belief, states typically do not have “vaccine” requirements for children to attend school or any other purpose; they require evidence of immunity to certain viruses, whether through serological testing that evidences the presence of relevant protective antibodies or evidence of prior history “diagnosed or verified by a health care provider.”
Virtually all countries in the Western world that impose some form of vaccine passport or mandate recognize natural immunity to Covid as qualifying for at least six months post‐recovery.
If OSHA had reviewed the medical and scientific literature regarding the relative protective efficacy of natural immunity compared to vaccination, it is unlikely that the agency would be successful in establishing a factual basis for forced vaccination of Covid‐recovered individuals. Given the trivial — if any — benefit to either the individual or the public from compelled vaccination of Covid‐recovered individuals, that evidence of elevated adverse effects requires an especially high standard of proof by regulators to overcome.
Fighting for those terminated
Makary also spoke about those who have been terminated over refusal to get vaccinated. “By firing staff with natural immunity, employers got rid of those least likely to infect others,” he said. “It’s time to reinstate those employees with an apology.”
He writes in The High Cost of Disparaging Natural Immunity to Covid that “Public-health officials ruined many lives by insisting that workers with natural immunity to Covid-19 be fired if they weren’t fully vaccinated.”
“It’s time to reinstate American workers who were fired under the vaccine mandate, for a number of reasons,” he told Kilmeade. “Number one, it was unfair. Number two, we have therapeutics now that really mean no one should be dying of COVID. And number three, it turns out, many of them had natural immunity.”
“The risk of somebody who has natural immunity getting hospitalized is 3 per 10,000,” he said. “That’s identical to the risk of somebody with hybrid immunity, that is a vaccine and natural immunity. So getting the additional vaccination (booster) did nothing to change the numbers of hospitalization. That’s the honest data.”
“When employers fired workers with natural immunity, they got rid of the workers least likely to spread the infection,” he said. “That’s the great irony. The data are now in. It’s clear.”
Makary noted a disconnect in numbers being reported by public health officials. A California study of Omicron cases found only one death among over 52,000 cases. Yet the state is reporting much higher numbers of COVID deaths.
Makary mentioned COVID-19 case numbers showing a steep decline for the past two weeks. In some parts of the country the virus is still peaking and hospitals are going to be strained. The hospitals are not necessarily strained from the influx of patients alone, he noted. “We normally have a massive influx of patients every winter, from a number of respiratory pathogens,” he said. “Sometimes it’s a bad flu season.”
“The difference is this time, we’ve got a massive staffing shortage,” Makary said. “One in five workers in health care have left. If you look at what happened at Washington State, they fired 55 workers from this hospital system called Multicare. They were so short staffed, they told people who tested positive who were working, even if you have COVID come back into work. Even if you have symptoms, we are that short staffed. That’s the problem with the staffing crisis that people don’t know about.”
According to an internal memo dated Jan. 6, MultiCare hospitals in the Puget Sound area moved into “crisis levels of staffing.” The impetus for the move was the rise in hospital visits, though not all due to COVID.
Consequently, the hospitals modified their return-to-work process, ordering staff “to work even if they are experiencing mild symptoms but are improving.” But a MultiCare staffer claimed that unless a staffer has a fever, “they want us coming in.” COVID-positive staffers are not required to disclose their status to patients or coworkers.
Makary believes we’ve got to reinstate all these workers. He noted that 50 to 60 percent of all truck drivers are not vaccinated. We have got to get the country moving, including the supply chain he said.
“People don’t just die of viral replication,” he said. “They die of hopelessness, poverty, and all kinds of substance abuse and mental problems. We’ve been blowing that data off. Those soldiers who were dishonorably discharged need to immediately be reinstated with their rank and back compensation, including restoring that period of lost pension pay.”
Omicron behaving like a different virus
Makary spoke to the reality of fighting Omicron. “It’s really not COVID; it’s acting and behaving like a different virus.” He pointed out there’s only been one death in 52,000 Omicron cases in the Kaiser Southern California study, which is lower than influenza.
Yet other news reports indicate Omicron deaths are increasing at a faster pace than during the Delta wave of COVID-19 last summer. As of Thursday, California was averaging 157 new COVID deaths a day. That’s more than last summer but less than a year ago.
Over the weekend, one case of natural immunity has been making headlines. A North Carolina man who said a hospital refused to carry out a kidney transplant because he’s unvaccinated against COVID-19. He is willing to “die free” rather than comply with their vaccine requirement. He is in need of a kidney transplant due to it operating at 4 percent, requiring him to get dialysis three times a week.
Chad Carswell said he’s had the coronavirus twice before and believes getting the vaccine should be a personal choice, not a requirement. Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist Hospital in Winston-Salem said both the donor and the recipient must be vaccinated.
“The reason it is recommended is to provide protection for the patient. Transplant patients are at high risk for severe illness if they don’t have preexisting immunity prior to being transplanted,” the hospital said
Carswell has preexisting immunity. The CDC and Johns Hopkins studies show his immunity is likely more robust than if he’d been vaccinated three or more months ago.
As Noah Carl noted in his review of the Danish study, there’s no obvious need for people who have recovered from COVID to get vaccinated. “The tricky part may be getting this message through to politicians.”
Also read:
- Washington Gov. Jay Inslee tests positive for COVID-19 for the third time
Washington Governor Jay Inslee tests positive for COVID-19 for the third time, the first in May 2022 and again this February. - Fauci secretly visited CIA to ‘influence’ findings on COVID origins
The CIA brought in Dr. Anthony Fauci to its headquarters “without a record of entry” to help “influence” the agency’s review of the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a letter from the chairman of the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic. - Cancers erupting in ways ‘never before seen’ following COVID shotsAnother possible side effect of those COVID-19 shots demanded for Americans by many governments and employers during the pandemic has shown up, and it’s not good.
- Doctor censored by Biden administration calls out scheme of threats and ‘coercion’Francis Collins demanded a ‘swift and devastating takedown’ when experts in the field of medicine suggested that the Biden administration’s lockdowns, shutdowns, social distancing and masking demands weren’t really needed to deal with COVID-19.
- COVID skeptic Dr. David Martin: WHO is a ‘criminal cartel’In a recent video, COVID-19 skeptic Dr. David Martin states his opinions about the pandemic.
- CCRP adopts resolution affirming its support of individual informed consentThe Clark County Republican Party (CCRP) has adopted a resolution meant to tell politicians that they are serious when it comes to informed medical consent.
- WA DOH replaces COVID-19 data dashboard with respiratory illness data dashboardThe Washington State Department of Health on Monday announced the retirement of its COVID-19 dashboard, with a replacement that shows data about multiple respiratory illnesses.
- State’s surgeon general issues COVID booster warningFlorida’s surgeon general, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, advised that anyone under 65 years of age should not get COVID-19 booster vaccines.
- President Joe Biden handed huge loss in 1st Amendment fightA federal appeals court has agreed with a lower court that the Biden administration likely can be proven to have pressured Big Tech to censor Americans whose views did not align with the Democrat talking points.
- Major medical group issues ‘slow-down’ warning for vaccinationsDr. Peter McCullough, and the World Council for Health, are recommending a go-slow approach not just to COVID shots, but others that have become so common.
146 Research Studies Affirm Naturally Acquired Immunity to Covid-19: Documented, Linked, and Quoted“We should not force COVID vaccines on anyone when the evidence shows that naturally acquired immunity is equal to or more robust and superior to existing vaccines. Instead, we should respect the right of the bodily integrity of individuals to decide for themselves. Public health officials and the medical establishment with the help of the politicized media are misleading the public with assertions that the COVID-19 shots provide greater protection than natural immunity…
Immunology and virology 101 have taught us over a century that natural immunity confers protection against a respiratory virus’s outer coat proteins, and not just one, e.g. the SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein. There is even strong evidence for the persistence of antibodies. Even the CDC recognizes natural immunity for chicken-pox and measles, mumps, and rubella, but not for COVID-19.”
Two active duty members of the U.S. Armed Forces on Aug. 17 filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Food and Drug Administration and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services on behalf of themselves and 220,000 active service members who are being forced to get a COVID vaccine despite having had COVID and acquired natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2. See link:
Military Service Members With Natural Immunity File Lawsuit Against DOD, FDA, HHS Over COVID Vaccine Mandate
What I don’t understand is how 90% of the country is either vaccinated or previously infected and 95% of deaths continue to be in the unvaccinated. Are 2500 deaths a day a result of that remaining roughly 10%
I guess it’s possible when that represents 30-40 million people
But it’s difficult to believe
People are dieing that have gotten the shot too so I don’t think it matters what you do when it’s your time to die you just don’t have a choice I guess. So I say live everyday like it’s your last because we’re not promised tomorrow
You missed the point, 95% of deaths are among the unvaccinated
Provide the sources of your info. You know that is a bold faced lie
Yes, that is what the propaganda keeps telling us and we keep falling for it.
Mant, Can you explain the details on how they are dying? Their core morbidities? If they were previously infected? And hospital protocols because people are not reacting well to remdesivir at all. The side effects are deadly please educate on that – it was deadly then and is still deadly. The ventilation protocol is a common practice but everyone DOES NOT have to go on a vent- no where do we mention hospital protocol .. THE COOKIE CUTTER approach – ivermectin has been approved since July of 2021 , and patients are not being told this. Look at both protocols side by side and see which protocol has room for error between remdesivir and ivermectin. It’s on the nih website. Hospitals also have a monetary insentive to use remdesi instead .so blaming on unvax is pointless – meanwhile concerts and Broadway shows are shutting Down NOT because of unvaxed people , ya heard? Core morbidities and hospital protocol are the two culprits . We assume things are perfect at alllllllllll Covid units – with no supervision…. Ok go ahead and think that. When there was no vax- 98% were recovering at home . 328 million people in America , 750,000 deaths , 75% with four or more core morbidities according to cdc director , so many fully vaxed with core morbidities are dying as well and those numbers are not being blasted and the cdc does have those numbers . What is Haiti doing? They have billions of people in their country, over 600 deaths , about 60,000 vaccinated…… but yet we lead the way on deaths – let’s think about our poor health and really compromised health care system that now takes people off of organ transplant waiting lists because that patient refuses to vaccinate.
Population of Haiti is 11,639,757, recorded Covid deaths 833 (more than half of these in the past 8 months). The greatest reason for the realatively low numbers of deaths is that more than half of Haiti’s population are under 24 years old, with a corresponding low number of co-morbidities.
Those who are dying who have been vaccinated have compromised immune systems. Try not to cherry pick info that supports your delusions. Not everyone who gets covid dies from it, but the worst ICU cases are not vaccinated and you run the risk of long-haul covid any time you get covid, so good luck with that.
We know that early on, they were counting as Covid deaths, people who died with Covid and not necessarily because of it.
Perhaps the data is corrupted with those cases.
Which might be the reason that you shouldn’t believe it. The main news propaganda continues to push the vaccines by telling us most of the deaths have occurred in the unvaccinated while there are plenty of unheard sources that have said completely the opposite. Those sources are constantly being censored instead of given equal time so that we can make up our minds who is right.
That is because 95% of deaths aren’t in the unvaccinated. It is so hard to find data on unvaccinated breakthrough cases and deaths but Massachusetts releases that data weekly and it is easy to find by just googling “Massachusetts breakthrough cases”
The vaccinated death totals of Massachusetts were 290 for last week and 274 for 2 week ago according to the articles you will find. The total deaths for Massachusetts for last week were 507 and 463 for two weeks ago. (The article does not give the totals and I had to do some more research to find them. My totals come from ycharts Massachusetts Covid deaths per day)
The percentage of vaccinated people in Massachusetts that died is 57.2% last week and 59.18% two weeks ago. This means vaccinated make up the majority of deaths in Massachusetts for at least the last 2 weeks. Which to be fair the vaccinated also make up the majority of the population.
These percentages I mentioned also were not mentioned in the article. Though the article loves to point out “Both figures (cases and deaths) remain a tiny percentage of the total number of all people who have been vaccinated” which if we looked at Covid as a total percentage from the start, maybe people wouldn’t have gone so crazy over Covid
So if there are so many deaths in the vaccinated then perhaps it’s the vaccines or their erosive effects on the immune system that is causing the deaths? I did hear of a study that is saying that.
First: Anyone vaccinated less than a month before they died is counted as unvaccinated?
Second: Your vaccination numbers are way high from what I read.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker/
Genuinely curious. Where are you getting the information that 95% of deaths are in the unvaccinated? Could you please provide sources.
You can’t compare different viruses, there are viruses that the vaccine was way more effective than natural infection
In the case of SARS-CoV-2 spike is by far, not even close the immune systems main target even in a natural infection
One of the problems with immunity from natural infection is that unlike a vaccine the infectious dose is not measured
And immunity from asymptomatic, mild, moderate, severe and critical infections is wildly different
I think people with a single infection should take one dose, I took 3 for myself, my family and my community. If I can take 3 I don’t think one is too much to ask
People with two or more infections shouldn’t be forced to get vaccinated
Vaccinated or not immunity isn’t being measured!!!! Not everyone who gets a vaccine mounts antibodies hence the need for titers!!!!!
Some people have to get 3 sets of hep b series to mount antibodies. So to say we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts is a bogus statement and has no scientific basis.
If you follow this like I do, you will note that the findings go back and forth, to some degree by variant.
If the point of the article is to argue that people who’ve had a positive COVID test should be considered vaccinated, I agree, as does the science.
Otherwise the data is useless, because it says that “Catching COVID” (what some mistakenly call ‘natural immunity’) is better than being vaccinated. But no matter your age or self-assessed health, everybody who catches COVID is at risk of illness–up to and including death–as well as long term or permanent lung, heart, liver, kidney, brain and reproductive organ damage.
That doesn’t compare to the risk of vaccination, which is very nearly zero.
Washington Department of Health (DOH) has yet to calculate a rate of infection for natural immunity. Could it be that natural immunity is more protective than vaccine immunity here in Washington too? High time DOH shows us how natural immunity compares to “fully vaccinated.”
Proud to be a no vaxxer and standby my beliefs and Trust in my natural immunity I will never be vaccinated
Too bad it’s not actually all about you. Vaccinations, speed limits esp school zones, DUI laws are all there to keep us and those around us, safe.
Based on your comment you don’t understand natural immunity or vaccines
Apparently you do not know definition of vaccine, and I am not talking about the new definition the CDC came up to make their new cocktail fit the narrative.
Thank you for this article. I think the lack of attention to natural immunity by the CDC has caused distrust. We haven’t been getting the whole truth so why should we trust anything they say as the truth? They have a lot of good information but at some point it’s hard to trust that what they say isn’t loaded with their own agenda.
Maybe because natural immunity requires actually getting the disease, which has killed nearly a million ppl and several more million will burden our healthcare system for years to come, with ongoing symptoms.
Over 100,000 children are now orphans. How many more do you want to create.
Being vaccinated you still get COVID so reassess your logic here.
There are many other reliable sources aside from the CDC, you just have to want to find them
You are correct. You just choose to ignore these other reliable sources.
Outstanding Article – especially the importance of acknowledging and accepting natural immunity over the C19 shot
Literally no scientist on earth is suggesting that
No one thinks burning your hand is better than being told fire will burn your hand
What’s being compared is which reduces the likely hood of putting your hand in fire in the future and whether or not people that already burned their hand still need to be taught about the dangers of fires
Very important to read the actual studies here. This writer has chosen to admit very important facts here. Very sneaky, this article should not be taken at face value and this website and this writer should be ashamed. Pay closer attention here folks, don’t let the sensationalists pull the wool over your eyes, they made a mistake here thinking I was born yesterday.
Awesome report. It’s past time to ditch the masks .
I think there aren’t enough doctors saying what is the truth. That natural immunity is just as good if not better than the vaccine or boosters that carry many risks also.
Vaccine “effectiveness” (which is completely questionable) lasts far less than 5 months. Natural immunity lasts your entire life. Your body fought it off, it will do.it again. That is what natural immunity means. That is a genetic immunity that can be passes to offspring. That is the only way to make herd immunity. A vaccine is not a genetic trait that can be passed to the next generation.
Absolutely none of this is true. Please learn some real science, not Facebook science. Please.
Literally none of this is true, you don’t understand immunity or vaccines
This article is misleading and harmful.
I have read the comments. Some actually think recovering from covid means you have life long immunity or that you will always recover from it in the future. One actually seemed to infer this means we should ditch masks.
The fact that covid could kill you is never brought up. Even those that survive coupé have life long health issues. Those who die, leave broken families and mountains of debt that will be shoved off on us to pay. The increased amount of chronic illnesses will also be a financial burden on all of us.
This article completely fails to note that, even if true, the vaccines are a safer, saner way to stop this pandemic without untold more death.
Thr insanity being uttered about immune systems and counting on them alone. We were all born with brains too. We still required being taught how to speak/walk/write etc. Although clearly, just like depending on immune systems alone, some seem to have failed to use theirs. Just like our brains, our immune systems need to learn. And, no, the best way to learn how to swim is not being thrown into whitewater rapids without a life vest. Vaccination works best the more who get it. Small pox, look it up. It’s like each vaccinated person is a board in a fence. The more there are. The better defended we all are.
With freedom comes responsibility.
Welcome to being adults.
Bookwyrm10. My freedoms don’t end where your fears begin. I am not going to get into an argument about whether jabs work or not. In reality, it is irrelevant. If you want to get jabs and wear masks, that is your choice, your right, your freedom. As well, I have the choice, the right, the freedom to choose what is best for me. I have the right and freedom to choose which doctors and which studies I choose to believe. You vax nuts choose to completely ignore studies that go against your beliefs, saying things like the doctors and scientists that have come to these conclusion are all idiots with no qualifications. Apparently, there are an awful lot of highly experienced, highly qualified idiots out there.
Have you ever been to another country where the government makes all the choices for their people? Have your ever defended our freedom? If no, then I don’t think you have be making comments like “with freedom comes responsibility”. You should read the constitution. No where in there does it say you or the government has the right or power to impose your will on me. In fact, there are particular parts of the constitution that specifically protect me from that.
I agree with everything but 2 years in and triple vaxxed or double vaxxed with a high likelihood of a natural infection as well, we actually can ditch mask. A virus is only novel to your immune system once, there’s no reason to fear a 4th exposure.
Yes, l am ready to volunteer for natural immunity studies.l had COVID19 JULY 2020 After lrecovery l donated plasma blood to help others.
Three times l have checked my antibodies the last one being a high of >20.00 index
So why should l be vaccinated.
As l write my company let me go per CDC guidelines.
Hence, This is why so many Americans & Canadians believe this was a PLANNED DEMIC. Love for freedom to choose.
Explain your theory?
I am interested in understanding how it works and how the entire planet is in on it. What’s the benefit of 12 trillion in lost global gdp
It is such a sad thing to see so many people who still think their government has nothing but the best interests of the people in mind. But please, proceed with being sheep. If you don’t see by now that all of this was planned, then you will never see, because you literally refuse to see.
All true, but…
How many naturally infected people know their antibody levels?
No infected people know their infection dose
Immunity varys greatly between asymptomatic, mild, moderate, severe and critical infections
There is huge benefit from one dose after natural infection, it’s essentially a booster
Your antibodies are useless against Omicron, so what’s most important is B-Cell and T-Cell memory which is greatly enhanced by a boost (I can explain in detail if you wish)
And finally, if you were already exposed to 100% of the virus, I don’t understand the fear of the noninfectious 4% of the virus
So good that natural immunity is not being studied and shown to be more effective than the Vaccine by both the CDC study, and now by the John Hopkins study. Now, rehire nurses and health professionals who had a prior covid infection but were fired for not vaccinating. Give them all back pay and a public apology. They were safer that those vaccinated. .
Have antibodies levels been determined by any of the current studies? I have gotten two antibody blood tests. The first test was prior to getting the shot, results came back negative no antibodies detected. The second test “positive” with a level >2500, this was after the shot and a mild case during Dec. 2021. In the comment area of the results it was stated that these levels have not been determined yet. Any comments on this area of natural immunity levels and what they mean.
From what I understand there are antibodies in the blood from vaccines and recent infection and then there are b and T cell immunity that you only get from infection. The cellular immunity are the ones that can be long lasting… possibly for life.
An active comment section!
Cool…. i am so sick of the comment sections being closed.
The number of comments prove that more people are actually taking an interest in matters of health and freedom of choice.
The human body is a highly complex system in which every molecule, every cell, every organ, works with each other as one integrated whole. That includes the immune system, with approximately 70% residing in the gut, commonly known as the microbiome. No organ works in isolation, they all function collaboratively.
Genes do not determine our destiny. True, we cannot change our skin or eye color; we can, however, change gene expression through epigenetics.
The laboratory created mRNA vaccines seem to turn the human body into an artificial manufacturing plant of the sars-cov2 spikes. Not appealing, is it?The innate immune system, on the other hand, will interact with all of the components of sars-cov2, not just the spike. Together with the adaptive immune system, they form a formidable defense of the human terrain or body. That is true natural immunity. This pandemic is really a pandemic of deficient immunity. If you respect your body and nurture it, you will be rewarded with great health and an impenetrable terrain. Sure works for many to date.
Fear is merely a construct of the mind. It is important to cultivate non-judgmental awareness, look beyond the fear, and see the facts in an objective manner free of bias. Learn to respond rather than react. Then develop resilience, responsibility, and gain true freedom. It works and feels fantastic.
Did you read ALL of the above?? Way too much drivel – It is precisely why it is that way. THEY demand control–GET IT? Do you really understand it YET? You know don’t you that Biden is not in control. Look to “THE GLOBALISTS” – He, like so many others that seem to be our leaders are nothing but “Howdy Doody”
It is so hard to find data on vaccinated breakthrough cases and deaths but Massachusetts releases that data and it is easy to find by just googling “Massachusetts breakthrough cases”
The vaccinated totals of Massachusetts were 290 for last week and 274 for 2 week ago according to the articles you will find. The total deaths for Massachusetts for last week were 507 and 463 for two weeks ago. (The article does not give the totals and I had to do some more research to find them. My totals come from ycharts Massachusetts covid deaths per day)
The percentage of vaccinated people in Massachusetts that died is 57.2% last week and 59.18% two weeks ago. This means vaccinated make up the majority of deaths in Massachusetts. Which to be fair the vaccinated also make up the majority of the population.
These percentages I mentioned also were not mentioned in the article. Though the article loves to point out “Both figures (cases and deaths) remain a tiny percentage of the total number of all people who have been vaccinated”
Thank you for sharing the data, A.J. Most interesting, and validates the fact that more vaccinations seem to result in more active cases. Scientists have mentioned ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) as well as higher viral load in the vaccinated.
Lock-downs may actually be protecting the unvaccinated from the vaccinated!!!
It is time to objectively consider options other than this ongoing practice of reactive medicine using an ever growing number of pharma drugs. Sure, this approach may work for some, but it hardly ever seems to heal or prevent recurrence. The fact remains that ‘health care’ tends to only focus on the symptoms, rather than the root cause, of an illness. I believe it is far more effective to be pro-active by maintaining good health so that our immune response is always ready to protect us.
Root cause analysis is important to identify why an illness occurred in the first place; and only when that is addressed can true healing be achieved. Far better than being on life-long meds that may have adverse effects for some. Why take unnecessary risks?
I 100% agree with you Sylvia about being pro active with out health. If we put in as much effort into getting people to eat healthier and exercise as we did on the ridiculous short term efforts to prevent cases and deaths during this pandemic, we could have made a huge long term difference. Unfortunately, most people ignore long term effects when trying to solve short term problems.
What angered me the most was when McDonalds and other fast food chains were offering free meals with proof of vaccination cards since fast food restaurants probably played a role creating underlying health conditions that killed people during this pandemic
If more people had your rational, and open minded, attitude this ‘plan’demic would not have become so rampant.
Yes, AJ, like you I have been quite astonished about the junk foods and alcohol offered as bribery to entice people to get vaccinated. Even more shocking is the fact that so many actually fall for it, with no thought as to what those foods are doing to their overall health. I guess such foods are in the SAD (standard american diet) category. Sad indeed, rampant obesity and other metabolic diseases.
I am neither pro- nor anti-vaccines. Personally I have never had any vaccines – and never suffered from any childhood or such ailments. A slight sniffle very occasionally, which goes away within 36 hrs max.
I have always treated my body with the utmost respect, whilst putting high priority on maintaining a robust immune system. So far, truly great!
All the very best A.J. – you are truly admirable in being so rational.
Ignoring this fact is what turned a virus similar to the common cold virus into a pandemic.
At the start they counted the few people they tested compared to the number that had died and were quoting double digit death rates. Meanwhile there were millions of untested that had the virus and recovered and were therefore immune.
This started all the lock downs, masking and other activities that were mostly ineffective at anything other than destroying our economy. Somehow they missed the fact that natural immunity is real and with care, the immune system can be boosted (Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Zinc, etc) to protect the body even further, No one wanted to hear that result, I suspect, because there is no money in that solution.
I was not and am not concern with the virus and I am glad someone finally gave me the research to show that my having the virus created immunity. Now if the powers-that-be will get everyone on this bandwagon we can get back to living our lives now that we are approaching herd immunity.
Yesterday heard a add on local radio. A local mortuary was advertising that if your loved one died with the diagnosis of COVID, the Government would pay $9,000.00 towards burial costs. Who in the world wouldn’t want their family member diagnosed with COVID at death with that kind of money on the line?
What a great article. What great evidence- and science-based data being reported. Not political opinion. It’s time for this country to move forward and stop saying unvaccinated people and unmasked people are killing people. It’s simply not true. Natural immunity is just as good, if not better, than the vaccine. Cloth masks do not work. These 2 statements are true and have been proven several times. While an unvaccinated person with no previous infection is more vulnerable, the facts about natural immunity have just been outright ignored due to politics. It’s shameful and borderline criminal that the CDC, President, and media can put out outright lies and misinformation. But, if Joe Rogan has a medical professional on his show speaking FACTS, God forbid.
I’ve lost total respect for the CDC and most media outlets. Thank you again for posting this for all to see.