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Wow, surprised there are so many “no” votes. Why would anybody oppose light rail? It will be a boon to businesses in Vancouver and points North, and very much help Clark County residents with their commute.
We have lived in Clark County since 1971. Lite rail has been voted down twice before. The reasons have not changed. We do not want to see downtown Vancouver totally redesigned for the politically powerful people of Portland. Transit by bus with bus lanes and the bridge at the right height to avoid issues with river traffic. Also we do not want the debt and no matter what the initial bids are there WILL be cost overrun.
Well put, Bob….
Leave the choo shoo in Portland! Every time you see a city with some form of light rail, they are knee deep in debt because of it. Every time you see a city with a light rail expansion project it always runs into the millions in over cost. Nothing but a money pit for the taxpayer. Right now, Seattle is knee deep in debt because people are refusing to pay their transit fees and just jumping on the sound transit train. The whole social justice thing in not making people to pay for the ride on the train.
Show me one US city that has rapid transit, including light rail, making a profit, then (maybe) you’ll be able to convince the voters to invest in it. Light rail is a money pit and a novelty item for the Democrats/liberals
**In 2012, Proposition 1 ballot measure, for a 0.1 % sales tax increase to pay to extend Portland light rail into Clark County. The proposition was rejected in every city in Clark County.
2013, a county-wide advisory vote on light rail was held. Over 68 percent of voters agreed that voters should be allowed to vote before any taxpayer funds are spent to bring light rail into Clark County.
Now the IBR team is pushing light rail, and ignoring Clark County voters.
See IBR adds new transit options for consideration to new bridge over Columbia River
C-TRAN bus rapid transit is cheaper and could be faster for interstate transit service”
“With just 2 percent of I-5 crossings being transit riders, it makes sense to focus on costs when considering options for transit on a replacement bridge.
TriMet has spent $200 million to $400 million per mile to create new light rail lines. Whereas The Vine BRT is six miles long, spending $50 million to build. The new Mill Plain BRT line will be about 10 miles long, costing $50 million as well. That is $5 million to $8 million per mile.
C-TRAN officials informed the Federal Transit Administration that The Vine bus rapid transit system would lower operating costs per passenger by 21 percent. Their 2016 filing stated $3.68 per passenger versus $4.66 to continue normal bus service. Both compare favorably with MAX light rail costs of $8.24 per boarding rider in 2020.”
Clark County Today reporting about bus and light rail transit in this region is informative.
Transit gets much attention as details on IBR about to be released“In the failed Columbia River Crossing (CRC) effort, the inclusion of MAX light rail was extremely controversial. Clark County voters have rejected light rail every time they have been allowed to vote on the issue. In 2020, Portland metro area voters rejected a new light rail extension to Tigard/Tualatin.”
TriMet’s broken promises on getting people to use transit
“Where are the missing 50,000 light rail passengers?”
NO crime train into SW Washington.
If federal funds are contingent on light rail, then no federal funds is OK.
If no federal funds mean no bridge, then OK with me.
The impotence of the Portland Police policies will exacerbate these arteries of crime that have infected the Portland neighborhoods.
For bridge groupies this is a big deal: Not for me. I support light rail even though I may not live long enough to see it:)
Here’s the thing. The bridge, light rail and more are being built for the next hundred years. I lovedmy gas fuel Toyota but I think electric cars are the future ,and more and more people will work in Vancouver instead of Portland given an alternative.
Bottom line I could’ve lived with bus rapid transit or light rail but let’s just get the damn thing built with all the process in front of us it’ll still be another seven or eight years before the job is done. Future generations can argue about light rail or bus.
Very poor reasons to support an extremely expensive and inefficient technology that is currently subsidized by around 80%; current Max ridership has been declining for the last 10+ years and accelerated in the last 2 years. LRT will be extremely expensive, give Oregon/PDC politicians eminent domain power in Vancouver, and will send Washington State tax money to continue to subsidize the LRT failure (it’s been a failure since it went into service; never met ridership predictions).