Vancouver attorney issues statement reminding community that law requires religious exemption for employer vaccination mandates

Employers in Clark County and around the state have recently announced vaccination requirements as a condition of employment

As more and more employers in Washington state, including PeaceHealth and the Vancouver Clinic here in Clark County, announced they will soon require employees to get the COVID-19 vaccination as a condition of employment, Vancouver attorney Angus Lee issued a statement Friday reminding area residents that both state and federal law supports religious exemptions for religious objections.

Employers in Clark County and around the state have recently announced vaccination requirements as a condition of employment.
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The Angus Lee Law Firm is based in Vancouver, with an office located at 9105A NE Highway 99, Suite 200. In his statement, Lee cited both state and federal cases in which the exemption was upheld by courts.

Here is the text of Lee’s statement on vaccination mandates by employers:

Employers in Washington risk violating state and federal anti-discrimination law where they choose to require that employees inject non-FDA approved, experimental Covid treatments into their bodies as a condition of employment, while also failing to make accommodations and exceptions for employees who oppose those treatments based upon bona fide religious objections.

“In Kumar v. Gate Gourmet, Inc., the Washington State Supreme Court held that the Washington Law Against Discrimination, Wash. Rev. Code 49.60.030, ‘creates a cause of action for failure to reasonably accommodate an employee’s religious practices.’ 180 Wash. 2d 481 (2014). The Supreme Court also made clear that ‘[d]isparate impact and reasonable accommodation claims both prevent employers from adopting facially neutral policies that create or perpetuate discriminatory effects.’ Id. at 500. ‘[W]e hold that the WLAD creates a cause of action for failure to reasonably accommodate an employee’s religious practices.’ Id. at 500-01.

Federal law also makes such religious discrimination illegal: “It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer… to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion…’ 42 U.S.C.S. § 2000e-2. “[F]ederal law places an affirmative duty on employers to reasonably accommodate the religious observances, practices and beliefs of their employees.’ Hiatt v. Walker Chevrolet Co., 120 Wash. 2d 57, 64 (1992) (42 U.S.C. §§ 2000e(j), 2000e-2; TWA v. Hardison, 432 U.S. 63, 75 (1977)).

“The federal requirement that employers make reasonable accommodations for employee’s religious beliefs has been held to be constitutional. In Eeoc v. Ithaca Indus., the defendant employer fired an employee after he refused to work on a Sunday due to his religious beliefs. 849 F.2d 116, 117 (4th Cir. 1988). The federal court of appeals held that the employer had violated the Civil Rights Act § 701(j), 42 U.S.C.S. § 2000e(j), by failing to make an effort to accommodate the employee’s religious beliefs. In doing so, the court concluded that the law was constitutional.

“It is well known that many of the faithful oppose Covid ‘vaccines’ on longstanding and well recognized anti-abortion religious beliefs. Such sincerely held religious beliefs are well established among Christians who adhere strictly to the anti-abortion views of the faith. As one Christian scholar stated, ‘when we use vaccines or medicines which utilize cell lines originating from aborted babies, we physically benefit from the ‘fruits’ of one of the greatest evils of mankind — the cruel genocide of the unborn. . . . As Christians, it is our duty to bear witness to the world by not accepting these vaccines and medicines.’ Likewise, citing Tobit 2:21, Father Michael Copenhagen has stated, ‘the recipient [of an abortion-tainted vaccine] is an immediate participant in the commission of continuous theft of human remains obtained through deliberate killing, their desecration through exploitation and trafficking, as well as ultimate omission to respectfully bury them.’

“Finally, since none of the current Covid “vaccines” produce “sterilizing immunity,” meaning that vaccinated individuals can (and do) still spread Covid, the firing of Christians who adhere to their faith serves no legitimate or lawful purpose. Rather, such action appears designed solely to deter their religious convictions.

“Accordingly, employers who do not provide religious exemptions and accommodations to antiabortion Christian employees who object to employer mandated Covid treatments risk running afoul of state and federal anti-discrimination law.”

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Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago

I’d like to remind this lawyer to do more research… Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have NOTHING to do with anti abortion religious views.

Deby
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Deby
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

I agree. It’s a false equivalence. It’s an illogical argument meant to appeal to emotion, not direct factual data.

Justin Forsman
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2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

The vaccines contain aborted fetal cells and other human dna…

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago
Reply to  Justin Forsman

Try again, only the the j&j vaccine

Amy
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Amy
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Try again? Are you standing the yhe production facilitues if Moderna and Phiszer? You must be a busy bee, being in two or more facilities. Or are you saying you believe the science.

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago
Reply to  Amy

Yes I believe in science.. I don’t have to stand in a production facility to believe in the plethora of checks balances and rechecks it takes to produce a drug, I also don’t have to stand on a production floor for acetaminophen to trust taking it either.

Loe
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Loe
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Then you must believe that for some its not needed. Because its more than 99% survivable, just like the flu?

Matty
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Matty
12 days ago
Reply to  Lisa

science is making allot of pharma companies more money than you and I will ever see. So virtuous… so ethical. In America , Money is the root science is the flower.

B C
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B C
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Lisa- Moderna and Pfizer use the fetal cells during their confirmation phase of the vaccine. They may not be used for manufacturing, but they are used for testing. Do your homework.

Jennette Richelle Ricciardi
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Jennette Richelle Ricciardi
2 months ago
Reply to  B C

Lisa you are correct there are no cells in the vaccine but they used fetal cell lines from abortions done in the ’70s and ’80s I’m manufacturers even state that they used the cells people need to do research about what they’re putting in their own bodies

Jennette Richelle Ricciardi
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Jennette Richelle Ricciardi
2 months ago

Sorry typo. Lisa is incorrect. B C you are correct

Fight for the Future!
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Fight for the Future!
1 month ago

Babies slaughtered decades ago, but then not let to die, so their souls can rest, they are made immortal, locking them forever into the experiments they are being used for, tortured for decades, compounding sin after sin on their soul as these mad science shots kill and harm every more people every day…. this is beyond disgusting!

Victoria Muldoon
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Victoria Muldoon
1 month ago

Oh my! I know ive always been against vaccines and thought it was awful celllines from murdered babies are in them but sometimes i have trouble putting into words what exactly my objection is…..thank you so much for your comment…it perfectly states why it’s not okay….those poor babies souls….

Vanessa Amundson
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Vanessa Amundson
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Both Pfizer and Moderna used aborted fetal tissue cells in testing and development of their “vaccines” whether or not those tissues are contained now in the shots. So maybe YOU should try again.

Fight for the Future!
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Fight for the Future!
1 month ago
Reply to  Lisa

Even the ones that were produced without murdered babies as an ingredient were tested on them, this is unholy evil.

Last edited 1 month ago by Fight for the Future!
jim
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jim
1 month ago
Reply to  Lisa

Try again! J&J uses them in all 3 development stages where Moderna and Pfizer use them in 1 development stage.

Sis chum
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2 months ago
Reply to  Justin Forsman

Only the jnj and so that ok I guess 1 out of three.

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago
Reply to  Sis chum

Means you have choices

d r
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d r
1 month ago
Reply to  Lisa

Correct, and one of the choices is not to get vaccinated

jamie henry
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jamie henry
2 months ago
Reply to  Justin Forsman

Actually from the long hours of research, none of them have fetal tissues but fetal tissues were used in the collaboration of vaccination creation. I’d be happy to give give you both the researched and cited data. The aborted fetal tissue line referenced is from a 1979 fetus.
regardless of your opinions, please be kind to each other…we have enough hate going around 😔

R M
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R M
2 months ago
Reply to  jamie henry

I would like to be sent the research you did.

Judith Young Comer
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Judith Young Comer
2 months ago
Reply to  jamie henry

I would appreciate receiving the research and cited data you mention, Jamie. Thank you! – Judith

Polly Fujitsu
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Polly Fujitsu
1 month ago
Reply to  jamie henry

Please share with me your researched and cited data. I have a feeling I will need it when I hear back from HR regarding my religious exemption claim at work.

Sis chum
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2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

You do more research all the facts are hidden from you or censored. They are using fetal aborted cells to make some vaccines also healthy women have aborted their babies after the vaccine as well as men’s rural disruptions. Either you are ignorant , deceived, or a liar and work for them go to VAERS on cdc , go to frontline doctors. They have testified of cure. Big pharma is taking in billions with no recourse for vaccine injury. If you already rec the stab don’t get a booster. Ultimately they are going to blame the religious exempt and those who say no to the stab. Pharma is not for you they never cure any disease they put bandaids on. That’s all.

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago
Reply to  Sis chum

You sound more and more like a Q follower, especially since you cant have a conversation without being down right insulting and name calling! Enjoy Covid when you get it!

Darrell Richards
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Darrell Richards
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Say What.

Sis chum
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2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

What I should of said what ever happened to my body my choice? What ever happened with freedom to choose what I do with my body? Was not that the abortionist cry well now we are making it because we know it will injure us , as far as I know this is not a policy of a free country it is more in line with fascism, communism etc. dictator and now our military is being force. God gave us freedom of choice , He is not coercive. That is love .
You Lisa can choose to have the stab or not or to wear a mask. If your right you won’t have to worry about those who choose not to take it because we will all die and you can go on living year after year vaccine after vaccine. It will never end. Because corrupted science has the answer doesn’t it? If one even believes in evolution theory they should let this play out shouldn’t they after all only the strong survive. Right?
I did not call you a name by the way you assigned that to yourself and you say I am such a terrible person for it that you wished me death by covid. Wow! Calling someone ignorant is no name calling by they way look it up in a dictionary. Did you ever think that we are trying to warn you and you health from impending danger of this shot. Lastly I have heard of Q and other and I don’t follow them. I follow Jesus and we are in the end times as in Daniel and revelation. We’re are at the toes of iron and clay. As the Bible says the whole world followed the beast revelation 13:3. Read Matthew 24 sign of the time. God will not let evil prevail much longer. I’ll pray for you eyes to be open and you see the love of Jesus who died for you ( us ) to free you from sin and have eternal life. My savior is Jesus not dirty science.

Anastasiya
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Anastasiya
2 months ago
Reply to  Sis chum

Love love love your response!!!

Jamie L. Vasquez
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Jamie L. Vasquez
1 month ago
Reply to  Sis chum

Well said!

Kari
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Kari
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

That’s an evil comeback. Whatever happened to civility?

Rachelle
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Rachelle
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Tell us exactly how many lives have been SAVED because of the vaccine? I want factual truth with good news for once-not some death ticker on CNN! The fact that babies were aborted and then used for this “miracle vaccine” really raises eyebrows among Americans that are awake and took a step back, assessed the situation, and then declined. Vaccinated people are NO LESS susceptible to getting COVID, spreading COVID, or dying from COVID. LISA, you are the problem with America, wishing people to get COVID! You’re a sick individual.

Stephanie Baker
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Stephanie Baker
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

There’s that insulting “Q follower” line again. A favorite of science denying leftists who can’t counter facts.

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
2 months ago

They just repeat the “sound bites” that CNN supplies them. They do not want to know more, heaven forbid they should study up just a little bit to see how easily they let their “leaders” direct them … sad really.

Unvaxed
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Unvaxed
24 days ago

Lisa you are wrong. 1 vaccinated people still get covid. 2 vaccinated people still spread covid. 3 vaccinated people still die from covid. This so called vaccine was made not to cure anything but to lessen the symptoms. Guess what if you are a covid survivor your symptons will be less even if your not vaccinated.

Eve
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Eve
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Sounds like The Pot Calling The Kettle Black……

Emma Delgado
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Emma Delgado
1 month ago
Reply to  Lisa

way To show us how’s its done. Just curious when are you re-dying your hair blue and dawning your new Harris t shirt? Your religion even requires a certain dress code.

Jack
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Jack
21 hours ago
Reply to  Lisa

I had covid. I enjoyed spending a week paid at home with my wife and kids! Despite the mild flu symptoms

Darrell Richards
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Darrell Richards
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

If this ends up in court? Then what

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago

Which part?

Loe
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Loe
2 months ago

Darrell, Your talking to a bot or a moron, only fools believe that the government means no harm and believes everything they are told.

Shane
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Shane
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

The vaccines are made with fetal cells harvested from aborted babies. Maybe YOU should do more research

Kari
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Kari
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

These vaccines were derived and tested through human fetal cell lines from the 70s and 8os….explain again how this is not related to anti abortion views????

Judy
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Judy
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Yes it does. The vaccines have aborted fetus. And the research is out with which cells they used and from what year. Facts are facts.

Jennette Richelle Ricciardi
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Jennette Richelle Ricciardi
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

You are incorrect I highly suggest you research Nebraska medicine and all three of the manufacturers use fetal cell lines from a actual abortions done in the ’70s and in the ’80s. The manufacturing of the vaccine is based on the testing done on these fetal cells so before you start saying the attorney is incorrect you need to read that information because it is posted and it is also verified from the vaccine manufacturers

Carol
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Carol
2 months ago

In the process of in vitro fertility treatments a million fertilized embryos (human beings) have been left in a frozen state. How many of these abandoned embryos belong to anti-abortion activists. I’m sure many.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago

A religious exemption is our right regardless of what reason a person gives. Commenters, let’s not miss the point that it’s not your opinion that The Constitution protects, rather an individual’s sincerely held religious beliefs. The fact that many shots are grown on aborted fetal cell lines is just one of many concerns a person may have and thank God that it’s not up to anyone else to determine what is solely between an individual and the God of Heaven.

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago
Reply to  Julianne

Except for the fact that sincerely held religious beliefs are being used as an excuse WHEN it’s convenient to their political beliefs. Funny how it becomes a religious belief for this but not for polio, measles, chicken pox, and whooping cough. It’s not a religious exemption, it’s called being a hypocrite.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

You can think what you want to. You honestly have zero idea what you are talking about.

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago
Reply to  Julianne

Ah.. because I have a different view I don’t know what I’m talking about…sure that’s a valid logical response

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

you are allowed your opinion. Everyone is. the law protects your rights too.

Shane
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Shane
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

No. You don’t know what you are talking about because you dont have the facts not because of your opinion.

Rachelle
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Rachelle
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Regardless of who claims religious or medical exemption, it’s none of your damn business! It never has been & never will be!
Get off everyone’s ass about who does what and just focus on your tiny world you live in. Nobody wants what your selling girl!

Shane
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Shane
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Those weren’t created with fetal cell tissue. You are missing the point

Kari
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Kari
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

This is NOT for you to determine…whether or not a person appears sincere in their religious beliefs…you are NOT God! Many people were not aware of what goes into a vaccine until recently…I have not had a flu vaccine yet. But we’re missing the point as a nation…We have the right to refuse ANY treatment, no matter what for, because we are free thinking Americans. Soviet gulags, nazi death camps, and china’s organ harvesting all used prisoners for experimental drugs without consent…how far are you willing to go before you finally draw the line on mandates?

Brett Anderson
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Brett Anderson
10 days ago
Reply to  Lisa

You don’t know what your talking about. With many of the vaccines in the past, the fetal tissue issue was not common knowledge to many people. Sometimes it takes a while to expose the evil acts of science.

Darrell Richards
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Darrell Richards
2 months ago
Reply to  Julianne

Amen,

John T
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John T
2 months ago

Praise and thanks to the Angus Lee Law Firm. Wherever the components of the “vaccine” come from, no one should be forced to take it.

Alan B
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Alan B
2 months ago
Reply to  John T

You can always work somewhere else… Not forced to take it.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Alan B

I suppose you wouldn’t mind being forced out of your job if they wanted to inject you with something you weren’t comfortable with? Or force you to snort cocaine or lose your vision or something crazy like that? It is a deeply personal choice that shouldn’t be made public or forced. That is the point. Just try for a moment putting the shoe on the other foot. There is no one size fits all approach.

Darrell Richards
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Darrell Richards
2 months ago
Reply to  Alan B

Iv quit jobs before because of BS.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago

me too. It’s great if you have a choice. Not everyone does. That’s all.

Anna
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Anna
2 months ago
Reply to  Alan B

I am a nurse in Washington state and their threatening I will not be able to work anywhere in Washington if I don’t get it. This is crazy.

Debbie
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Debbie
2 months ago
Reply to  Anna

Same Here

Rachelle
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Rachelle
2 months ago
Reply to  Alan B

I see this response as, “hey, I know you’ve gone to college for years, educated yourself in a field you desired, still in debt because of it, worked 20+ years doing it, but….go somewhere else and start this process over because you won’t take the jab”
it is ASININE! Are you kidding? Nope.

Sis chum
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2 months ago

These so called Christians who have no idea what the Bible really says about Gods healing methods or that we are the Tempe of the Holy Spirit. Meaning that Jesus lives in us. The new temple. And for us to inject a
substance that will change your RNA to tell you body to do something that wasn’t intended is Going against Gods plan. This whole vaccine thing is a lie. It doesn’t protect variants will be made and eventually it will die off. Those who choose and are deceived or ignorant to go against Gods plan of health will suffer the most. I know families and others that have gotten COVID no vaxx it was like the flu to them. They are fine and now they are immune. God made a perfect immune system. Read you bible all the answers are there.

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago
Reply to  Sis chum

Yea well I know people who were perfectly healthy an died from it, so you do you, and let others do for themselves, and heres another for you.. GOD gave man the intelligence to create the science, explain that away and you go against GOD’S creation.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

You don’t have to be mad at people for their beliefs or choices. We are not mad at you for yours. If you have peace with your choices, be happy with that. That is awesome. Shouldn’t we all strive for that? To make our choices and have peace? We really all want the same thing.

Emma Delgado
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Emma Delgado
1 month ago
Reply to  Lisa

like the intelligence to prescribe children amphetamines because they cant sit still?. Or opiates to millions of people, many who have died of overdose for what started off as a toothache or sore back. Or intelligence to use hormone blockers for developing children who willl never be the same because they think it’s cool to look different. Or the intelligence of physicians to kill children at the behest of politicians who trumpet Women’s HEALTH!! My body my choice huh. I guess that only works if your trying to convince women that their babies don’t deserve to live and they don’t deserve to have them. Until abortion is addressed for the murder it is. I will hardly feel obliged to agree that not getting a shot for myself is worse than wiping out millions of babies, or causing s opiate crisis. Or manufacturing and doping children with amphetamines without thinking twice. Have a better chance of crashing your car and hurting yourself or someone else then you do I’m dying from Covid if you under 78. She we take seniors cars away? Should we take everyone else off the road? Or are these the assumed risks we take each day in order to stay sane and not be overtake be fear?

Darrell Richards
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Darrell Richards
2 months ago
Reply to  Sis chum

Good Christians are real. At least it’s a Hope. The Atichrists hv none

sischum
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2 months ago

Darrell, yes and no one is good but GOD ;0) but there are so many who dont read the bible and follow Jesus , Jesus says we are His temple , He lives in us and many have ignored Gods health message and thereby succumbing to this virus. obese, HTN, IDDM copd, they follow mans advice or through ignorance or deception. Would Jesus force a vaccination or force someone against their will to get a vaccination. I ask what would Jesus do? I have seen the evil in church where there is name calling by those who support the stab calling to who are against uncaring, unloving ,irresponsible against those who are against the stab. Is this Love? they dont even ask why im not getting it because i sure have alot of evidence not too. , Love is freedom of choice. we choose healthy thing aor unhealthy thing all have consequences. Close to the end there will be a shaking of His church of the false Christians who choose to love the world more that God and those who do not know Jesus , because they listened to man and not to Him will betray the remnant. Just like Judas did to Jesus and like they stoned Stephen. I pray for your health and growth in Christ and Lisa too may know the saviour. She made her opinion known and her mind is set. So take your vit D,ZN, C, NAC get sunlight fresh air and may you grow in Christ daily.

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  Sis chum

Wouldn’t a perfect immune system prevent you from getting sick in the first place?

Matty
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Matty
12 days ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

My immune system is more perfect than the vaccine

Darrell Richards
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Darrell Richards
2 months ago

It’s not just about the vaccine. It’s about freedom of choice. Freedom of worship also. Freedom period.

Lisa
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Lisa
2 months ago

And you have the freedom to work for a company or not…if you don’t like their mandated vaccine policy find an employer you do agree with…people do it all the time! People who are against the vaccine want to have it both ways…people say “I’m against the vaccine” well maybe those same people should stay home when they get sick and not seek care(that’s science too ya know).. but that dosent happen, instead they lamet that they should have gotten it right before being given drugs (more science)to put them to sleep right before having an intubation tube shoved down their throat to be put on a ventilator (and more science). Your freedoms have a cost, and most times they include sacrifice.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

Lisa, I really encourage you to look into the science around spike proteins. They aren’t innocuous. At the very least, we need to recognize that there are many sides to this issue and all deserve respect. Yours included. No one is trying to argue with you about your views. You are allowed to have them. Just to share some science I do know. Did you know that in all of the animal trials for this s h o t, not one animal survived? Not one. And then they went ahead and rushed it and approved it for human use. That doesn’t seem wise. And, more science, true treatments that had proven efficacy like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, were forbidden from being prescribed to patients and instead they sent people home until they were massively in trouble, and then put them on respirators when it was too late. And then BG@ates went and sunk a bunch of money into Remdesivir, which does not have proven efficacy, so sure enough, doctors were ‘allowed’ to prescribe that. And when people didn’t get better, the blame fell to whomever they could gaslight. I will go back to personal choice. That alone is worthy of upholding and respecting for all of us.

Sis chum
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2 months ago
Reply to  Julianne

Yes I read that paper too on the death of ferrets and the Trojan horse paper. Very interesting. I didn’t realize there were 2 macrophages. It seemed like the M1 kills the pathogen and then M2 cleans up the mess. These vaccines mRNA inhibit or prevent the M2 basically the janitor is fired. Picture that in your mind. Like a home, you bring in stuff cook eat do human stuff and no one cleans it up over time your living in your own filth with that come illness then death. Basic epidemiology.

sischum
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2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

lisa , you are fearful and brainwashed , that is what watching too much tv and the main news channels . that is why you think the way you do. i could give you video and clean scientific reports all day to ease your mind about this and you would refute them too. it is also called selective ignorance or maybe willful ignorance. i am sorry for you.

Faith
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Faith
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

So nurses who have been serving the community for 10+ years, sucks to be you, find another career. You do know it’s not just one company it’s all healthcare. All the time of school and money and experience, well that’s life…. Vaccinated are still getting and passing covid, so what difference will it make if they get vaccinated. Why the pressure? You people are sick and don’t even see it. The FDA is doing an emergency approval to force hard working nurses that do the hardest job in the world, to take something they’re not comfortable with and they’re not comfortable because the stupid shot hasn’t even been out a year or they lose their livelihood, it’s sick. And whoever agrees is disturbed.

Shan
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Shan
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

I’m a single mother that works as a dental hygienist. If I don’t get the vaccine, I can’t be a hygienist in WA state. I’m curious how you would solve my problem of getting another job that pays me what I make being a hygienist in WA state?

Anna
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Anna
2 months ago
Reply to  Shan

I’m in the same boat as you are. I am a nurse in Washington and do not want this vaccine. I have no idea what I will do once I object. Lose my job and then what?? I’ve been threatened unemployment benefits after termination will be denied. This is so wrong in every way.

David Knight
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David Knight
2 months ago
Reply to  Shan

I don’t think there will be an easy answer. But this is clearly a tyrannical victory for POLITICAL science. My best guess is the election machines have allowed our leaders to be chosen by global oligarchs for years. I know – I know – but what else explains the disconnect between policy and actual science?
In any case – YOUR skills are needed. Osteopaths, Naturopaths, Chiropractors, and other health care providers are NOT equipped to deal with trauma, and your skills would bring that to an ultimately much better health delivery system.
This is an opportunity.

Yesterday's hero, today's zero
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Yesterday's hero, today's zero
2 months ago
Reply to  Lisa

A private company is not being allowed to operate freely, when the governor has weaponized the department of health and L&I to be on the enforcement end. A private company decides against the unconstitutional mandates, and what do you know- department of health and/or L&I is showing up threatening and siting them and issuing fines. THAT, my fellow American, is not “freedom.”

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Lisa

Lisa, just do what your trusted scientific government tells you to do, after all, they love you and have your best interests at heart. They also tell you to get regular tests, to quarantine yourself when thinking yourself ill, to get the “vaccine” (really an untested and unapproved injection, for ulterior and malevolent purposes) so that you will neither get ill nor cause others to, and of course, obey all rules (called laws?) wearing at least one mask, even indoors at home, social distancing at all times, and of course spying on and reporting everyone that you think is breaking all of your rules … what a warped view, welcome to “your” world, no thanks for me … BTW, I answer to GOD, not the religious God and gods, mine is INternal, Natural and True … evidently a far cry from whatever view that you seem to have. Welcome to your soon to become Godless Communistic Socialist world of Biden’s crowd (placed into office illegally by Deep State Evil that seeks to Genocide even you) … you should be pleased that some of us care enough to resist and warn you, for your own good. But then, some people have egos so strong that only they should decide for everyone else … Lisa, you seem to fit into the picture that I am trying to paint for you to see … none are so blind as those who refuse to see! IMnsHO and E so far. BTW (your body, as is everybody’s, is The Temple of The Spirit of GOD, that being the Highest truth and the Purest Love … seek and ye will find (if honest and true to yourSelf) …

Emma Delgado
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Emma Delgado
1 month ago
Reply to  Lisa

Your right they include sacrifice. But they aren’t freedoms. Children don’t choose to be murdered. The sacrifice of children and the audacity of your moral platitudes is abhorrent. Everyone spreads Covid, vaccinated or not. But if you are vaccinated I know you have Covid and can spread it. Do you stay home after a vaccine. You are contagious you know. But morally your justified because your hair is blue and your wear a Love Wins tshirt. Your what’s holding America back from evolving into one androgynous amorphous atheist with zero independent thought. Just a program you boot called woke 2.0 where you use the last of your energy and whit to debate something you hardly know anything about. Best watch your tone. Remember love wins right???? Wasn’t that you mantra. Or is it cold calculated evil and hate for anything and everyone wins??

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago

What about freedom to drive drunk? Freedom to discharge firearms in public? Freedom to walk around the neighborhood naked? Freedom to pray away my children’s illnesses rather than provide medical care? Freedom period means I can do whatever I want including infringing on other’s freedom. Like, for instance, being a oncological nurse that refuses to be vaccinated. Or perhaps a caregiver at an old folks home that believes the “scientific” studies outlining the terrible risks of the vaccine…. That no one will ever link because they either don’t exist or are so unscientific no one wants their name attached to them. Freedom means you are free to not work for a company because they prioritize the health of their employees and the community…. Freedom in America has never meant the freedom to endanger everyone around you.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Jack, you are seriously misinformed and have been mislead. I am not going to harm myself just to make you feel better. You know he didn’t mean freedom to do things like you described. No one should do anything that goes against their own conscience. That is your God-given right and mine too. This j a b is nothing more than chemicals and DNA altering substances. It literally does nothing for you other than give you peace of mind if you think that it’s helping. There are so many people who would be worse off injecting it into their bodies. Please stop with the ‘for the greater good’ crap. I don’t follow you around the grocery store making sure you are not buying processed food because that somehow helps me. The j a b is your choice to take or not take, but please stop acting like it is some magic bullet. It is beyond clear that it doesn’t give you immunity. Why do you think boosters are coming? Why are there breakthrough cases? Why are people speaking up about this being censored? The CDC and big pharma are literally criminals. Just do some research about their violations. It is not hard to connect the dots and say that maybe this is not all it is cracked up to be. Please respect people’s choices and stop gaslighting people.

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  Julianne

I’m constantly being told how misled I am, particularly around people with certain ideologies. I thought vaccines were settled science, required to go to school and join the military, but have only recently had it explained to me that Bill Gates is going to control me through a combination of vaccines and 5G towers. I was vaccinated against any number of diseases over the years, and even had some of those evil boosters as well, but it wasn’t until recently that it was explained that my own immune system and not the vaccines are what protected me from polio, tetanus, rubella, etc. I believed in these vaccines because a vast majority of immunologists and epidemiologists specifically, and a significant majority of health professionals in general, described that vaccines are safe and effective. If only I’d known that debunked studies and right wing media personalities were the ones that were experts I may have explained to my Mom that polio isn’t that bad, and many people survive it, so it can’t be as bad as “chemicals and gene-altering substances”. I know we aren’t supposed to trust science, but I feel I should add we mapped the human genome in 2003. Now we just have to wait for all those poor human lab rats to provide their altered DNA and we’ll all blow the lid off this. Just hope the Deep State doesn’t keep all this evidence from going public. Like they did with all the evidence of a stolen election. And the Jewish space lasers that keep starting forest fires.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2110605

http://www.healthdata.org/covid/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-summary

Here is some information from the New England Journal of Medicine and the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. I hear a lot about the mountains of evidence on vaccines, stolen elections, and Jewish space lasers. Then when I do my own research I find all the legitimate evidence supports vaccine efficacy, no widespread voter fraud, and the reality of climate change. If there is actual evidence, let’s see it. Hell, take all this scientific, peer reviewed evidence to court like Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani did (they had lots of evidence, too). But don’t expect me to accept Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, some random cardiologist from Texas, or anti-vaxxer #83 as evidence.

And the coup de grace of science illiteracy is the “why are there breakthrough cases/why do we need boosters” crowd. No one has claimed 100% efficacy. People die in car crashes with their seatbelts on, I guess the government is just trying to control me by mandating I wear one.

And I fully support those that don’t want to get a vaccine. Just don’t try and tell me that science, reality, or human decency support that choice (medical exemptions excluded, of course). However, if a hospital wants to be responsible and protect the most vulnerable among us it seems like they should be free to do so. If you disagree with that goal, you should be free to find a job with an employer more to your liking. No one is being tied down and given the vaccine, we are all free to take it or leave it. You have the freedom to choose… too many want freedom from consequences of those choices.

And for the record, I agree with you that people are gaslighting others on this issue. Was “gaslight” even in our vernacular before 2016? Regardless, I wish you and yours good health.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Your reply is super confusing. I feel like you are really on both sides but still critical of those who don’t agree with you. I guess I have to ask, are you against people having choices or are you against people who disagree with you? If you are against people having choices, then there is nothing I can do for you. That’s not right. If you are against people who disagree with you, then that is that. We all have people we disagree with. I could provide plenty of evidence to demonstrate how so many have been manipulated, but it would do no good. You are not open to it. Just as I am not open to the information you provide. I don’t agree with it based on the research I have done. So, can we go our separate ways in peace? And can you stop saying that we lack human decency for our choices? That makes it seem that you think we don’t deserve a choice. If we don’t, then you don’t either. Does that sound okay to you? Because one day it will be something you don’t agree with and don’t want forced on you. I am fighting for your choices too sir. I mean no disrespect. I have a dad that I love so much and he and I disagree, but we have space for each other’s choices and he would never wish me harm or tell me that I lack human decency. He raised me better than that. I happen to have a religious AND medical exemption, but knowing what I know now, I would not choose this if I could. I wish you good health too. Just wish we could have more civil discussions. This one feels decently civil.

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  Julianne

I believe if people don’t want to get vaccinated, they are free to not get vaccinated. However, they are not free from the consequences of that choice. Just as I am free to call my boss an a**hole on social media, but I am not free from the consequences Monday morning at work.

You’re not open to research and information from experts in the field of immunology and communicable diseases and that’s your choice. I can’t say whether I’m open to any of the “research” that supports the idea that vaccines are bad for society because no one that makes that claim will provide said research. If all this legitimate research is so convincing, you would think it would get linked or cited. The “you won’t believe it anyway” argument doesn’t hold water. I know that most of the antivaxxers don’t believe peer reviewed, scientific journals but I will link them anyway for my own conscience. Claims without evidence are a waste of time at best.

Claiming that everyone that disagrees with you has been manipulated, or gaslighted, while you have done the research and see the truth is condescending to say the least.

You say you’re fighting for my choices, which is laudable, but I am fighting for others as well. I think it is reasonable to mandate my wife’s oncological nurse be vaccinated. Others think that it is an injustice that those working with vulnerable populations be asked to take steps to minimize risk to those people.

I never said anyone lacked human decency. I said human decency does not support the antivaxx stance. Human decency is about “we” not “me” in my opinion. I didn’t get the vaccine to protect myself, I imagine I would have been fine if I caught Covid. I got it for my wife, my elderly relatives, and all the people I work with that are at risk or can’t get vaccinated. If my employer mandated a vaccine and I feared the vaccine more than I loved my job, I would have the freedom to not get vaccinated and find a different job. Everyone has a choice.

You probably won’t bother reading any of this, or will think it is fake news if you do, but here are some news stories from places that value individual choice over common good.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-hospitals-pediatric-icu-beds-covid/

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2021/08/catholic-hospital-in-louisiana-copes-with-covid-surge/

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253416655.html

And here are the vaccination rates by state. I wonder if there is a connection?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Oh my gosh Jack, you really don’t want to be civil, do you?

David Knight
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David Knight
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Jack there are quite a few reputable doctors that have broken with pharma on vaccines. Locally in Portland suburbia there (was) a pediatrician with thousands of patients. I say WAS because the medical PTB took away his license (for some trumped up charge) after he published his own results showing how unvaccinated children are healthier across the board.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/oregon-pediatrician-publishes-study-comparing-his-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-children-then-has-his-medical-license-suspended/

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  David Knight

Couple things here. His study concluded that children that get vaccines see the doctor more regularly than children that don’t. The population he studied were children that came to his practice. That’s it. So in essence, he established that parents that choose to vaccinate their children tend to take their children to the doctor more than parents that choose to not vaccinate their children. I personally go to the doctor more now than I did before I had health insurance. Maybe insurance is making me sick? I appreciate you at least having the courage to post your source. Here are some other interesting articles from Health Impact News, for context:

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/are-globalists-controlling-the-weather-to-cause-agro-terrorism-on-our-food-supplies/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/unmasking-the-global-food-cartel-is-massive-starvation-and-population-reduction-their-next-move/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/identifying-the-luciferian-globalists-implementing-the-new-world-order-who-are-the-jews/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/army-national-guard-recruits-for-internment-and-resettlement-specialist-military-documents-lay-out-procedure-for-civilian-internees/

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

I COULD cite countless Medical Studies that support the opinions counter to your own, but your mind is stubborn, ego-bound to resist anything contrary to your preference, typical of the smaller mind that claims itself the larger.+ Were you to ever (not likely) to give views counter to your own a chance, you would discover the truth of what this is all about, a long-sought Globalist (yes, They do exist, and They do have access to Sattelite repeater station weapons systems and there is a very long history of Their being very malevolent to human-kind in general, especially those who believe in a God)(and They do CENSORE information contrary to their own) desire to rule this earth and enslave us all (those that they do not genocide first) … I know, just too fantastical for “Intelligent” people like yourself. To each, their own … at least some of us abide by that without twisting it into words of their own selfish convenience.

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Matty
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Matty
12 days ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Ironic last years front like hero’s now the problem. Your boy Biden has had a few of this shots. He looks like he’s about to keel over. I don’t know how much longer they can Weekend at Bernies him around.

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Evidently, the “laws” are very much needed to protect the rest of us that have common sense and compassion for others, from people like yourself who have none of that. What a world to live in, that of “your” making, Guilty until proven innocent … you have a very limited and negative (backward)(fear based) view … IMnshO

Matty
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Matty
12 days ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

take is easy MAO

Zhenka
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Zhenka
2 months ago

Before we shoot experimental drugs without any long term studies FDA approvals and of course are completely useless with ANY variants. We need to understand who created it and why. These vaccine companies are not your friends and saviors. With the amount of people that had COVID and got natural immunity why in the hell would they put those “vaccines in there body” truly a pandemic of the vaccinated. I personally know people who died from COVID with the vaccine and without.

Darin
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Darin
2 months ago

I don’t think this is about vaccinations nor about whether or not fetal cells were used in any phase of the process. This is fundamentally about who has the right to dictate what is done to your body.

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court’s decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

This case was later cited in Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927) which gave the government the authority to perform involuntary or cumpulsory sterilization. As a result tens of thousands of people, mostly minority women and mentally handicapped or mentally ill were subjected to such procedures

Anyone who supports vaccine mandates needs to ask themselves how such precedents have been used in the past, how they’ll be used in the future. It doesn’t stop with 2 jabs.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Darin

This is sobering. Ugh, that is unbelievable. We know this is happening and still we think it’s okay. History repeating itself. I’m shocked that not many seem to be broadcasting The Nuremberg Code. It’s probably censored honestly. But what is happening now violates that entirely.

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  Darin

This is the same logic conservatives have used on a host of issues over the years.

“If we allow gays to marry, next it will be legal to marry an animal.” Well, I guess time will tell.

“If we pass even one common sense gun control law, next they’ll take every one of our guns.” One of the classics, but I have yet to see any non-felons lose their guns.

“If we let people use the bathroom that corresponds to their identity, men will pretend to be transgender and attack our daughters in the bathroom.” Strangely enough, people have not completely changed their lives, faced persecution and ostracization, and lied about who they are just to get into the women’s bathroom.

I could go on: electing a catholic President, allowing interracial marriage, kneeling during the national anthem, teaching American history as it happened, and promoting evolution were all going to end the world as we know it. Vaccines, which have been mandated for public school children and military personnel for generations, are just the next bugaboo. If you fear the vaccine more than you like your job don’t get it. Contrary to the hyperbolic scaremongering from the antivaxx crowd, no one is going to come find you and forcefully vaccinate you. People are confused about what freedom means. You are absolutely free not to get vaccinated. You are not free from the consequences of that choice.

On the bright side, once all of the vaccinated folk die from mutated serpent DNA or whatever the excuse du jour for the vaccine hesitant is, only the unvaccinated will be left and they can make the rules. They can outlaw vaccines, masks, DUI laws, background checks, drug tests, licenses for driving/practicing medicine/practicing law, FDA protections, public decency laws, and anything else that may contribute to the well being of a society. Because, you know, freedom.

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Jack, why are you so angry about people’s choices? I don’t get that. And what do you think our consequences will be from not choosing vaccinations? I’m confused. Why should anyone be threatened based on their choice? Um, I’m pretty sure you can’t make a blanket statement about people’s beliefs based on one decision. I feel like we’re not your people. That is okay. I’m not sure it is worth anyone’s time to keep arguing. We all need just some rest and peace after what we’ve all been through since 2020. There is nothing wrong with being conservative or liberal or something in between. We should not be reduced to a political belief system. We are all so unique.

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  Julianne

Who is threatening anyone? I thought this discussion was about some guy provided unsolicited legal advice and giving people a one-size-fits-all template to display their sincerely held religious beliefs so they could avoid the vaccine and keep their job. Thus, the consequence of people that do not get an exemption losing their job is the consequence I’m speaking of. And I do get angry… at people comparing getting a vaccine to being forced into the gas chambers at Auschwitz (actually exists on CCT). Or comparing a vaccine mandate, which we have had for certain populations in the US for well over 100 years, to a violation of the Nuremberg Codes that were a response to medical experiments in Nazi Germany, particularly those of Josef Mengele. Here they are, tell me which one of the ten principles it violates:

https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2011/04/BMJ_No_7070_Volume_313_The_Nuremberg_Code.pdf

Trick question. It can’t violate any of them because vaccination is completely voluntary and is not an experiment.

I do have a bad habit of categorizing people based on incomplete data and I apologize for that. Before Covid, the antivaxx sentiment was split pretty evenly politically. However, as someone that walked up and down Mill Plain last week and chatted with people that were there to promote “choice”, and noticed about a third of the signs involved MAGA, Trump 2024, or F*CK BIDEN, I can tell you that the current antivaxx movement is heavily influenced by adherents of a single party. That by no means implies there aren’t exceptions. Comparing a party affiliation map to a vaccination rate map is pretty eye-opening, however.

And the only belief systems that matters here is this: is the individual free to put everyone else at greater risk of sickness and death? And does an employer have the right to set terms of employment? I say no to the first and yes to the second. I believe you disagree with me. Life goes on.

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

It is your “school of thought” that has “conspiracy theoried” everything not of the “acceptable” line by contaminating borders between truth and lies such as getting you (and the others like yourself) to believe that “The Jab” is a vaccination when it is not, that people who are against being injected with dubious material, untested by normal vaccine standards, are somehow those “evil” (to you) “AntiVaxxers” … which is a BS assumption made by the indiscriminating person wanting to distort the truth for the sake of proving their own falsehoods. IMnsHO and E so far.

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

People that value Truth have more Freedom in their lives than those whos priority is all around FEAR. The Truth shall set you FREE!

Darin
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Darin
2 months ago

Anyone have information on what legal challenges are being prepared?

Julianne
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Julianne
2 months ago
Reply to  Darin

I don’t know a lot, but ICAN seems to be preparing and actually winning some cases.

Debbie
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Debbie
2 months ago

Mr Angus Lee,
Are you going to be taking on cases of Healthcare workers who possibly are going to lose their job regarding not complying with taking the Covid19 Vaccination. Myself as well due to my Religious beliefs. We were given a deadline of Aug 31, 2021 to get Vaccinated. I know there has to be plenty of others who are also not taking the Covid 19 Vaccination for the same reason and will also be out of a job. Thank you so much for your time.

David Knight
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David Knight
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Jack – religion is all the legislature left us for our self defense – and that of our children. THAT is the abandonment of the constitution that occurred during the measles propaganda.

We know vaccines work – at least they have in the past. Today we are seeing some problems with long term immunity from them. We (pharma) don’t really know that much about immunology.
But they sure know how to make money. Don’t get me wrong – I believe in the free market. But how on earth could we call the medical monopoly we have a free market?
Socialized medicine is a one way ticket to genocide. These people with a healthy respect for their own health and inherent conservative approach to irreversible health decisions should be supported by the larger community.

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  David Knight

If you don’t believe in vaccines, or climate change, or that the Earth is round, or that racism exists, or that Biden won the election, or that the planet is older than 10,000 years old that’s your choice (I’m not claiming you believe these things, by the way). I disagree with you, but I acknowledge your right to your own beliefs. But I will not support knowingly endangering people in hospitals… the larger community deserves at least that one place where they can be as safe as possible as they receive chemotherapy, dialysis, or any other necessary medical procedure. These people are already at greater risk, I think a vaccine mandate for health care workers is reasonable under the circumstances.

Tory Lamb
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Tory Lamb
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

The issue with your statements here is that the vaccinated individuals are still getting and spreading COVID. So regardless if the oncology doctor providing care to their patient who is unable to get vaccinated, gets vaccinated or not, they still run the risk of infecting those individuals. The only way to truly protect these highly vulnerable populations is with the highest form of PPE available. That is a reasonable way to care for patients who are unable to receive the vaccine. However, mandating an individual who chose the medical field to receive an injection that does not have adequate research behind it seems less reasonable, especially considering it’s efficacy. Time will tell whether this vaccine is safe, and that is all people want is time and the choice to decide.

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  Tory Lamb

Are you contending that vaccinated people are getting and spreading COVID at the same rate as unvaccinated people? I believe vaccines work and vaccinated people are less likely to get and spread the virus. I believe this because every reputable medical association I am aware of has promoted the vaccine as safe and effective (in addition to my personal doctor).

https://www.facs.org/media/press-releases/2021/covid-vaccine-072621

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/top-health-organizations-help-providers-understand-covid-19-vaccination

https://clark.wa.gov/public-health/covid-19-vaccine

Some people believe that all these organizations have nothing better to do than trick them, or don’t believe immunologists and communicable disease experts are qualified to share that information, or trust their own research over the last few months over people that have studied these issues as a career. Everyone has a choice, despite all the hyperbole here on CCT. I have heard of no one being forcibly given the vaccine. I assume, since the sole reason you provide is that there “isn’t adequate research”, that once the FDA gives final approval next month you will take that into consideration? I’m of the belief that a third of COVID vaccine hesitancy is religious/medical/scientific and two thirds is political. If a significant number of minds are changed with full FDA approval, I will have been proven wrong. I hope I am wrong. It will makes us all safer in the long run.

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

FALSE BELIEFS AND FALSE ASSUMPTIONS CARRY NO REAL VALIDITY COMPARED TO TRUTH.

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

FEAR!

jesica Walker
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jesica Walker
2 months ago

I disagree with the mandate because it should be the person’s right to choose. The gov cannot make a medical or health decision for us. We need to decide what is best for us. I am willing to continue as I have to wear my facial mask and other PPE because I can take it off.

Chris Young
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Chris Young
2 months ago

This sure did stir the pot! No matter what your position on the Religious end of it. The mandate is forcing you to have a vaccine injected in to you that 1. Has not completed any Clinical Trials (expected to be completed in May of 2023), 2. Has only been accepted on an Emergency Authorization (which provides litigation immunity for the producers), has serious side effects for some injectees AND does not provide protection from the variants because of the narrow targeting of the vaccine. First it was “Wear a Mask for two weeks to flatten the curve”, then mandatory stay at home, then voluntary vaccine, now mandatory vaccine. Now a booster shot, what next? At some point, we need to look at the actual numbers and decide when the destruction of businesses and livelihoods is enough.

Medical Dr
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Medical Dr
2 months ago

The Covid shot is not a vaccine. A vaccine protect the person who gets it from getting a virus. The Covid shot does not do this. It may or may not cause you to get the Covid virus to any degree.

I personally know patients that have died from Covid after receiving the Covid shot.

I also know patients who have gotten the Covid shot and gotten another person sick with Covid.

I know patients who have developed heart issues after their first Covid shot making them unable to get their second shot.

Two female patients in their early 20’s both developed life threatening symptoms that took them to the ER approximately 2 weeks after their second Covid shot. One patient is still in a wheel chair and was told she would have died if she would not have gotten medical help when she did.

Fourteen months ago I had a family member die after having a heart attack. The coroner required the death certificate to say that the cause of death was due to Covid when it was clearly heart disease that they had been dealing with for over 3 years.

I have been in the medical field for over 30 years and do not have a problem with getting vaccinated with a legitimate vaccine. There is nothing political about this for me. Depending on the issue, I can lean democratic or independent. The Covid shot is not a vaccine. The survival rate for Covid is better than 99% when treated properly.

I have 2 friends that tested positive for Covid within the last month. Both of them were very sick and neither of them were given any medication by the diagnosing dr to help them get better. They were told to come back if they had trouble breathing. They both went to another dr to get the medication that they needed to get better. Both have completely recovered and are doing fine today.

Many nurses and drs have been treating Covid positive patients for over a year without themselves having a vaccine or Covid shot and have stayed healthy.

Think of getting a bladder infection. If left untreated, it can develop into a kidney infection. If left untreated it can develop into kidney failure and sepsis. Sepsis can be fatal.

Martin Surfandsand
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Martin Surfandsand
2 months ago
Reply to  Medical Dr

Agree not a vaccine. Perhaps a gene therapy?. In any case, mandate is implying it will stop or significantly reduce transmission. Would you agree with that? Regardless, I think other steps can be taken instead of a mandated so called vax. Thanks.

Jack Burton
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Jack Burton
2 months ago
Reply to  Medical Dr

I have to question your claim of only 100% effectiveness qualifying as a vaccine. Can you provide evidence of a 100% effective vaccine? I would hate to think someone would submit their name as ‘Medical Doctor’ in an attempt to give their anecdotal “evidence”, devoid of any actual evidence, credence.

Many nurses and drs have been treating Covid positive patients for over a year without themselves having a vaccine or Covid shot and have stayed healthy.”

I’ve been driving drunk for years, without a seatbelt, and have had no problems. Not really, but the logic is the same.

We’re better than this Clark County.

Seattle is burning
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Seattle is burning
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

Jack you can cherry pick all the noted studies you want. You are no different than anyone else here, you gravitate to what you agree with. For you not to see the miles of science that counter most of your citing then that is your choice. I too have seen all the main stream media info. The same info about masks to nothing and now they will save us all. What about 15 days to stop the spread? What about all will be good at a 75% vax rate? Look at the profits from big Pharma and embrace reality. Look at the CDC just two days ago citing India’s 90% vax rate and having to admit that the vax does not stop transmission. Also the CDC states people that were vax early are suffering the most from recent COVID complications. Until the political hacks acknowledge that natural immunity is part of their equation they cannot be trusted. Understand COVID19 is here forever, it will likely take the path of every other virus on earth; Weaken and adapt overtime so it can live in its hosts without killing them. Anyone who watched the massive propaganda and lies pouring out of our government should be alarmed. You were lied to, even by the specific news media that you clearly are appeased by. Simple studies like the lock downs in Hawaii vs Texas. If you drill into the data and don’t twist it the infections rates are about the same. Hawaii locked the place down like a war camp and yet almost no difference. To think we as humans are going to prevent the spread of a virus, which is likely man made, is insane. I fore one have had the covid, I have natural immunity but that does not count in the political world, only the real world, insane.
Remember these so called doctors won’t give you a medical wavier for allergic reactions or compromised immune systems but they will fill a male child with life altering estrogen because he is confused. Yes, we all can do better. Come to King county and embrace your liberal utopia. If you’re not disgusted by what Seattle has become you can not be reasoned with.

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago

You have made an informed valid argument that most here understand and would agree with. Mr Burton is one that will never understand and thus never agree with because his well-indoctrinated mind has already decided, and reinforced by a stubborn ego there is little hope of his view changing prior to actual personal experience contrary to that lived so far. To pay attention and learn from others who have broken the shackles of conformity is just too much to ask of him now.

Matty
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Matty
12 days ago

Isn’t that the truth. Follow the science, they are turning our youth into science experiments and we are on the tax payer hook. I tell you I hate this state, evil is called good and good is called evil. I can spit a liberal a mile away. The evil is evident on their faces not just their blue hair or dirty Prius’s.

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Burton

There are “other” forms of drunkenness … often in denial by those under such influences …

SpiritCalls
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SpiritCalls
1 month ago
Reply to  Medical Dr

A very highly intelligent description of the issue at hand making the truth of it self-evident … IMnsHO and E so far. (but some people here (at least one) will fight that view to the end).

Brett Anderson
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Brett Anderson
10 days ago

I would like to remind all the evil Atheists and Liberals
commenting on this subject that their are other reasons for a religious objection and exemption to these vaccines. These vaccines are a response to the
immoral and unethical practice of gain of function research. Science can’t be trusted, and they have proven it. The fact they continue to deny they engineered the virus and have reported conflicting information is alarming. Why are so many health care workers and educators against these vaccines?
Because we know and haven’t forgotten the history of Atheists and Socialists as co-conspirators in every atrocity during the last hundred years. Let’s face it, Democrats (Socialists), Atheists and Liberals should never be trusted. They are all selfish lying perverts who in their own ways try to substitute God’s
Authority with their failed authority. God has this covered!

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